Zanarkand *SPOILERS AHEAD*

[Flash]

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So guys I was wondering about Zanarkand.
I was curious to know about Zanarkand and Dream Zanarkand.
As you guys know, Tidus ceases to exist at the end. So I read about ZK on the wiki page. But after reading about ZK, I just got even more confused. There is supposed to be a real ZK, that has been destroyed and a DZK hidden somewhere. So my question is:
If I understood it correctly, Sin is somewhat like a knight armor for Yu Yevon. He created Sin, so he could protect DZK, that he has created with the fayth. Am I correct to assume, that there is a DZK somewhere around on the map, but just not reachable, since its hidden? Or is it merely a phantasy world? And in case it exists, all people are merely memories of some people. But that would mean, that at some point Tidus has indeed existed. So I dont understand how he can cease to exist at the end.

[E|E]

dream zanarkard is hidden near baaj temple. thats how Tidus ended up there when he got transported out of DZ. I believed it is explained clearly in the Japanese Ultimatum.

DZ can only be accessed by pyreflies. Which is what Tidus is and what Auron is.

Yevon and the old denizens of ZK creates DZK and SIn to protect it. Sin purpose is to protect DZK and destroy any machina cities that becomes a threat to it.

So technically we can go to DZK but the game doesnt take us back that. It is probably in chaos or destruction after sin entered to take Tidus away from it.

As Old Zk is facing inevitable defeat from bevelle, the only way out is for Yevon to sacrfice his denizens to create dream ZK to preserve old ZK memories and SIN to fight bevelle.

[MorningLightMountain]

Dream Zanarkand is out in the sea somewhere.

[E|E]

Originally posted by Desolater IV:

It certainly is a confusing tale.


Basically....1000 years ago Zanarkand was at war with Beville. Beville was using machina (think of nuclear weapons) and was going to win the war against Zanarkand. Yu Yeven the leader of zanarkand basically decided to create Sin (An ultimate Aeon of sorts) and turn all the citizens of Zanarkand into Fayth which could then create the "Dream Zanarkand" inside of Sin and be protected by Sin. However, by doing this I believe Yu Yeven turned himself into an Aeon or Fayth of sorts, and lost his humanity (if you are dead and unsent you basically become a mindless fiend in this world) which in turn caused sin to go on a rampage for the next 1000 as sin, and any Aeon who defeated it would just become the new Sin reborn being controlled by the unsent Yu Yeven.

So.... basically Tidus is dead, died 1000 years ago, and the fayth were able to essentially bring him back in hopes of ending their endless dream and so that they too could finally be sent after defeating sin.

not really accurate.

1. DZK is not inside sin. It is way out in the sea and physically located near Baaj temple. It is explained in the offical japansese FFX OUG by Square-Enix. Why there is a ZK inside Sin is never explained. Probably when it went to attack DZK to take Tidus out of it, it consumed some part of it??

2. Tidus is not dead. He is a dream, like DZK is. He wasn't brought back from the dead. He was a dream by the Fayth like everyone else in DZK.

3. What made Tidus special is Jecht who becamed the Sin, went in to DZK to take Tidus out. Even thou Sin purpose is to protect DZK (probably Jecht still had abit of himself left since Sin is newly reborn and still young). - yes, Sin can be young. Thats why theres the Calm, the period where they thought Sin is dead, but Sin is just reborn and gaining back Strength in hidding.

4. How Jecht got out of DZK was never explained too

EDIT : Everything here is explained in the FFX OUG.

[Purplefairy22]

I always thought Zanarkand was inside of sin, Auron later says he rode in on sin to get to Zanarkand (or something like that).

Well..... after some comtemplation i'm sticking with its inside of sin, despite what the ultimaina says.

[Monterossa]

Correct. Dream Zanarkand is like a giant Aeon, being summoned by Yu Yevon with a lot of Fayths.

Tidus might be based on real person from 1000+ years ago, or just randomly created by the Fayths, nobody knows and SE never told us officially.

[E|E]

Originally posted by Purplefairy22:

I always thought Zanarkand was inside of sin, Auron later says he rode in on sin to get to Zanarkand (or something like that).

Well..... after some comtemplation i'm sticking with its inside of sin, despite what the ultimaina says.

Auron riding on Sin is correct too. You need Sin to be transported in and out of Zanarkand. That is how Jecht got out of DZK, how Tidus got out of DZK, how Auron got into DZK. Auron didnt *get into Sin to get into DZK", he rode on it to get to DZK.

Jecht went out the sea to train and never came back. Probably accidentally encountered Sin and got transported out of DZK.

A clear way to know how Dream Zanarkand cannot be on Sin is the starting of the game you see Sin coming out the Sea and Attacking DZK. Auron is standing high in DZK watching Sin as it approaches from th sea.

Another scene is where Sin reaches inside DZK, and Auron and Tidus looked at it. Auron says "look, we called it Sin".

Lastly Sin above Tidus and Auron when Auron pull Tidus up and let Sin suck him in.

EDIT: you also need to be Pyreflies to get into DZK. which Auron the unsent and Tidus the dream are.

[GamingTaylor]

This is probably the best explanation of the story by far:

https://youtu.be/Nv6IwMqf0NQ?t=299


(Start at around 5minutes)

[Larry]

I always thought Dream Zanarkand was basically a portal back to the old Zanarkand, like time travel or something. Then at the end of the game you're just told Tidus is a dream...? It gets really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and makes literally no sense.

From what people are saying, "Dream" Zanarkand is basically heaven created by Yu Yevon and they created Sin to protect it from anything that might threaten it. Somehow they created a heaven where people can travel to when they die thus "The Sending" by summoners. This is news to me... But then again I never was really engaged in FF X and it was some years since I last played it plus it made very little sense back then especially at the end with Tidus jumping into a bubble and disappearing... apparently to become the next Sin or something? Oh, and Tidus' father is Sin.

Either way, it makes no sense. For one, Sin, the protector, basically destroys Dream Zanarkand at the beginning of the game and does so only to transport his son, Tidus, back to the "real" world in order to defeat Jecht/Sin. So, if Sin is the protector of Dream Zanarkand why has he destroyed it?

[fluffy]

Instead of thinking of DZ as a dream, think of it as a huge Aeon (which it is) if that makes more sense.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:

Originally posted by Desolater IV:

It certainly is a confusing tale.


Basically....1000 years ago Zanarkand was at war with Beville. Beville was using machina (think of nuclear weapons) and was going to win the war against Zanarkand. Yu Yeven the leader of zanarkand basically decided to create Sin (An ultimate Aeon of sorts) and turn all the citizens of Zanarkand into Fayth which could then create the "Dream Zanarkand" inside of Sin and be protected by Sin. However, by doing this I believe Yu Yeven turned himself into an Aeon or Fayth of sorts, and lost his humanity (if you are dead and unsent you basically become a mindless fiend in this world) which in turn caused sin to go on a rampage for the next 1000 as sin, and any Aeon who defeated it would just become the new Sin reborn being controlled by the unsent Yu Yeven.

So.... basically Tidus is dead, died 1000 years ago, and the fayth were able to essentially bring him back in hopes of ending their endless dream and so that they too could finally be sent after defeating sin.

not really accurate.

1. DZK is not inside sin. It is way out in the sea and physically located near Baaj temple. It is explained in the offical japansese FFX OUG by Square-Enix. Why there is a ZK inside Sin is never explained. Probably when it went to attack DZK to take Tidus out of it, it consumed some part of it??

2. Tidus is not dead. He is a dream, like DZK is. He wasn't brought back from the dead. He was a dream by the Fayth like everyone else in DZK.

3. What made Tidus special is Jecht who becamed the Sin, went in to DZK to take Tidus out. Even thou Sin purpose is to protect DZK (probably Jecht still had abit of himself left since Sin is newly reborn and still young). - yes, Sin can be young. Thats why theres the Calm, the period where they thought Sin is dead, but Sin is just reborn and gaining back Strength in hidding.

4. How Jecht got out of DZK was never explained too

EDIT : Everything here is explained in the FFX OUG.

Well, Tidus was KINDOF brought back from the dead.

As explained in X-2, Tidus is an imperfect copy of Shuyin- basically the Fayth's impression of him.

So, in a way, Tidus is a revived Shuyin.

[E|E]

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

I always thought Dream Zanarkand was basically a portal back to the old Zanarkand, like time travel or something. Then at the end of the game you're just told Tidus is a dream...? It gets really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and makes literally no sense.

From what people are saying, "Dream" Zanarkand is basically heaven created by Yu Yevon and they created Sin to protect it from anything that might threaten it. Somehow they created a heaven where people can travel to when they die thus "The Sending" by summoners. This is news to me... But then again I never was really engaged in FF X and it was some years since I last played it plus it made very little sense back then especially at the end with Tidus jumping into a bubble and disappearing... apparently to become the next Sin or something? Oh, and Tidus' father is Sin.

Either way, it makes no sense. For one, Sin, the protector, basically destroys Dream Zanarkand at the beginning of the game and does so only to transport his son, Tidus, back to the "real" world in order to defeat Jecht/Sin. So, if Sin is the protector of Dream Zanarkand why has he destroyed it?

this is based on solely what I think.

All previous final Aeons were denizens of Spira, until Jecht. Unlike the rest, Jecht had a reason to attack DZK, he had a connection with it and he wanted to reunite with Tidus.

During the calm when people thinks Sin is dead for awhile, is actually Sin hidding to regain his strength and get accustomed to his new armor.

Jecht Sin is new. Means neither Jecht nor Yevon have full control of Sin. One example is how Jecht likes the Hym and Sin(Jecht) is calm when he hears it. Sin(Jecht) attack various locations Tidus is in to motivate him to come after him.

In a sense, Yevon had lost his humanity. What the Sin does is just mindless protecting DZK and destroying Machina cities that grow too big.

Jecht can be seen to have a certain control over Sin since he responds to the Hym and he also specifically go after Tidus and attack places Tidus is at.

[E|E]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:

not really accurate.

1. DZK is not inside sin. It is way out in the sea and physically located near Baaj temple. It is explained in the offical japansese FFX OUG by Square-Enix. Why there is a ZK inside Sin is never explained. Probably when it went to attack DZK to take Tidus out of it, it consumed some part of it??

2. Tidus is not dead. He is a dream, like DZK is. He wasn't brought back from the dead. He was a dream by the Fayth like everyone else in DZK.

3. What made Tidus special is Jecht who becamed the Sin, went in to DZK to take Tidus out. Even thou Sin purpose is to protect DZK (probably Jecht still had abit of himself left since Sin is newly reborn and still young). - yes, Sin can be young. Thats why theres the Calm, the period where they thought Sin is dead, but Sin is just reborn and gaining back Strength in hidding.

4. How Jecht got out of DZK was never explained too

EDIT : Everything here is explained in the FFX OUG.

Well, Tidus was KINDOF brought back from the dead.

As explained in X-2, Tidus is an imperfect copy of Shuyin- basically the Fayth's impression of him.

So, in a way, Tidus is a revived Shuyin.

This is not true. It is not confirmed. it is a theory. Even though I myself believe Tidus may be a reconstruction of Shuyin but less accurate as the memory of the Fayth deteriorates.

Even if Tidus is really based on Shuyin, it is still a dream. Like how dream zanarkand is a dream of real Zanarkand, to preserve the real zanarkand memories. You don't call DZK, a revived, reborn ZK or ZK brought back from the dead. It is very clear distinction they are not brought back, they are dreams. All denizens of DZK are simply dreams and when the Fayth stops dreaming, the dreams end.

[Larry]

So, what, is DZK completely destroyed now since Jecht attacked it? The whole thing is confusing...

Apparently, what it actually is is a totally separate entity in Spira hidden away from the rest of the world and has a protector, Sin(Yevon originally), destroying every city that gets too big in the off chance they can detect Dream Zanarkand and destroy it. DZK is basically a "digital" copy of 1000 year back Zanarkand somewhat like a computer world(The Matrix?) where it's inhabitants are "spirits" that never actually existed(Or very few of them actually existed)? Does this mean Tidus never existed and is just a dream or that these dream people are actually people too just manifested within the "Matrix" and can be real in Spira just like Tidus seems to be when he washes up at the beginning of the game?

[E|E]

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

So, what, is DZK completely destroyed now since Jecht attacked it? The whole thing is confusing...

Apparently, what it actually is is a totally separate entity in Spira hidden away from the rest of the world and has a protector, Sin(Yevon originally), destroying every city that gets too big in the off chance they can detect Dream Zanarkand and destroy it. DZK is basically a "digital" copy of 1000 year back Zanarkand somewhat like a computer world(The Matrix?) where it's inhabitants are "spirits" that never actually existed(Or very few of them actually existed)? Does this mean Tidus never existed and is just a dream or that these dream people are actually people too just manifested within the "Matrix" and can be real in Spira just like Tidus seems to be when he washes up at the beginning of the game?

1. Idk if DZK is completely destroyed. It could be in ruins and chaos after Sin(Jec) attacks it

2. Sin is like a mindless machine, it is programmed to protecth DZK and destroy machina cities. But Jecht displayed a sense of control over it ( attacking where Tidus is, stalking Tidus basically, responding to Hym)

3. Real zanarkand had no chance to survive Bevelle attack, so Yevon sacrfice his denizens to create Dream Zanarkand to preserve the memory of Zanarkand and make it eternal & Sin to kill his enemis. Basically Yevon is a sucide bomber. Sin was created, destroyed everything, even old Zanarkand, technically everyone in ZK is already dead to summon Sin and DZK.

4. Calling them dreams might be confusing. They are Summons. DZK and Tidus are summons of the fayth. Like Aeons too. All of them are summons. If the Fayth stops 'dreaming', the summons are gone. Tidus is very much as real as anyone in Spira.

[lostsomething]

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

So, what, is DZK completely destroyed now since Jecht attacked it? The whole thing is confusing...

What does it matter if DZK is destroyed? It's just a dream. The Fayth made it and maintain it, they can remake it.

Heck, I'd think they probably reboot it every so often - DZK existing in a loop from some unknown starting point and running up to its eventual destruction in the war after which the Fayth loop it back over and over for a milinia.

How else can one explain Tidus being a copy of someone dead for a thousand years? It's not like he existed in some immortal, non-aging state in Dream Zanarkand. He was a child when Jecht left and Tidus' own notion of how long Jecht had been missing for fit Yuna's information perfectly so it's not like there can be any "A day in Dream Zanarkand is a year in the real world" kinds of shenanigans. Yet if he's mortal and ages normally even if he was a part of his the initial dream shouldn't he have aged and died long ago?

Apparently, what it actually is is a totally separate entity in Spira hidden away from the rest of the world and has a protector, Sin(Yevon originally), destroying every city that gets too big in the off chance they can detect Dream Zanarkand and destroy it. DZK is basically a "digital" copy of 1000 year back Zanarkand somewhat like a computer world(The Matrix?) where it's inhabitants are "spirits" that never actually existed(Or very few of them actually existed)? Does this mean Tidus never existed and is just a dream or that these dream people are actually people too just manifested within the "Matrix" and can be real in Spira just like Tidus seems to be when he washes up at the beginning of the game?

He's based on a person who existed but is drawn from memories that have started to get more than a little blurred over a thousand years. The inhabitants of DZK aren't spirits nor the ghosts of people dead long ago, they are dreams. When the dreamers (the Fayth) wake up, they will be gone.

I mean Tidus existed, Aeons exist, but rather than being the product of a single summoner he's the product of a collective dream maintained by a multitude of summoners. What makes Tidus and Jecht special is that they left the space of the dream and by gaining unique experiences awoke the desire for change in the dreamers.