What is everyone's problem with FFX-2?

[Provulies]

I have played FFX and enjoyed it but never played FFX-2. What makes FFX-2 so bad compared to FFX?

[Ivan]

what kind of undead was summoned?

[Chad "The King" ThunderCuck]

several things: firstly, instead of an ACTUAL final fantasy, youre playing as 3 dancing singing little girls who 2 of in the previous game, were terrible at fighting and 1 was outright useless entirely, while the third is a generic blank slate fake goth chick. instead of going on an epic quest, youre looking for new dresses.

2: the opening sequence.
3: the fact that lulu was replaced with someone who wasnt even in ff10.
4: enemies scale directly with your main characters level, removing any sense of progression from the game because enemies you fought in the begining of the game are just as relatively strong, sometimes more, at the end of the game as you as they were at the begining of the game.
5: pain.
6: the extremely convoluted story progression, and large amount of content that can and will be outright locked out to you permanently (on the original release) if you didnt do things 100% correct.
7: literally every character in the game.

[GuyInDogSuit]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

several things: firstly, instead of an ACTUAL final fantasy, youre playing as 3 dancing singing little girls who 2 of in the previous game, were terrible at fighting and 1 was outright useless entirely, while the third is a generic blank slate fake goth chick. instead of going on an epic quest, youre looking for new dresses.

2: the opening sequence.
3: the fact that lulu was replaced with someone who wasnt even in ff10.
4: enemies scale directly with your main characters level, removing any sense of progression from the game because enemies you fought in the begining of the game are just as relatively strong, sometimes more, at the end of the game as you as they were at the begining of the game.
5: pain.
6: the extremely convoluted story progression, and large amount of content that can and will be outright locked out to you permanently (on the original release) if you didnt do things 100% correct.
7: literally every character in the game.

This. This, so much.

[Hinnyuu]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

4: enemies scale directly with your main characters level, removing any sense of progression from the game

This is just patently untrue.

Enemies don't scale at all in this game. They're always the same level and have the same stats (or range thereof) no matter what your level is. Difficulty isn't super well done in this game, but that has nothing to do with "enemy scaling" because that doesn't happen.

[GuyInDogSuit]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hinnyuu:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

4: enemies scale directly with your main characters level, removing any sense of progression from the game

This is just patently untrue.

Enemies don't scale at all in this game. They're always the same level and have the same stats (or range thereof) no matter what your level is. Difficulty isn't super well done in this game, but that has nothing to do with "enemy scaling" because that doesn't happen.

To be fair, the only other FF title I know of that does this is FFVIII, so he might have been thinking of that. Regardless, at least in VIII you still have a sense of progression, especially once your characters become so OP it's ridiculous.

[Chad "The King" ThunderCuck]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hinnyuu:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

4: enemies scale directly with your main characters level, removing any sense of progression from the game

This is just patently untrue.

Enemies don't scale at all in this game. They're always the same level and have the same stats (or range thereof) no matter what your level is. Difficulty isn't super well done in this game, but that has nothing to do with "enemy scaling" because that doesn't happen.

outside of the fiend arena, every enemy in the game does in fact scale with the average level of the 3 main characters. which is one of the many reasons why the fiend arena is the only thing worth playing.

[Hinnyuu]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

outside of the fiend arena, every enemy in the game does in fact scale with the average level of the 3 main characters. which is one of the many reasons why the fiend arena is the only thing worth playing.

That's just... not true. It's easy to verify using Sensor or whatever. Or you can just look up the stats on the wiki, which are all fixed.

What happens is that areas change with chapters, and you get different enemies in the same areas depending on what chapter you're in - but those enemies will always have the same stats in the same chapter, and those stats are completely independent of your level. Also easy to verify, thanks to the CC you can keep YRP at very low levels all the way to Chapter 5 and you'll quickly see enemies significantly higher level than yourself.

The only thing that changes with your YRP levels is the level of fiends that you recruit via the Creature Creator, as you recruit them. They don't scale when you fight them.

Perhaps you're getting that impression because the enemies in the fiend arena can have different (often higher) stats/levels than the same enemy when encountered outside - but those, too, are independent of your YRP level, and always fixed; just fixed at different values.

[hectorun]

FFX-2 is a nice sequel but also makes a HUGE contrast with X. It's very girly and not serious, you change your powers changing your dresses, the story is weak if you compare it with X, not purely turn-based... it makes a lot of changes and the fans didn't take very well. As I said before it's not THAT bad because you can go back to Spira and visit its towns, see the characters 2 years later and see how the world has evolved. But... it's not FFX level of epic. Looks more like a spin-off rather than an actual Final Fantasy main game.

[Chad "The King" ThunderCuck]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hinnyuu:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

outside of the fiend arena, every enemy in the game does in fact scale with the average level of the 3 main characters. which is one of the many reasons why the fiend arena is the only thing worth playing.

That's just... not true. It's easy to verify using Sensor or whatever. Or you can just look up the stats on the wiki, which are all fixed.

What happens is that areas change with chapters, and you get different enemies in the same areas depending on what chapter you're in - but those enemies will always have the same stats in the same chapter, and those stats are completely independent of your level. Also easy to verify, thanks to the CC you can keep YRP at very low levels all the way to Chapter 5 and you'll quickly see enemies significantly higher level than yourself.

The only thing that changes with your YRP levels is the level of fiends that you recruit via the Creature Creator, as you recruit them. They don't scale when you fight them.

Perhaps you're getting that impression because the enemies in the fiend arena can have different (often higher) stats/levels than the same enemy when encountered outside - but those, too, are independent of your YRP level, and always fixed; just fixed at different values.

the wiki is literally full of outright incorrect information. wikis are not a trustworthy source, because the people editing them are not trustworthy sources. i trust my official prima strategy guide from years and years ago which i still have over a wiki. yes, as chapter progress harder enemies spawn instead. and its also true that after level 50, virtually everything in the game begins to outscale your characters. going over level 30 makes the final dungeon far harder because most of the enemies there have about 20% more stats than you across the board, and a few have max in some stats, from 30-40. your garbage wiki might not show the scaled stats, but the guide does.

[Hinnyuu]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

the wiki is literally full of outright incorrect information. wikis are not a trustworthy source, because the people editing them are not trustworthy sources. i trust my official prima strategy guide from years and years ago which i still have over a wiki. yes, as chapter progress harder enemies spawn instead. and its also true that after level 50, virtually everything in the game begins to outscale your characters. going over level 30 makes the final dungeon far harder because most of the enemies there have about 20% more stats than you across the board, and a few have max in some stats, from 30-40. your garbage wiki might not show the scaled stats, but the guide does.

I mean, as I said - it's very easy to just verify this in-game using Sensor. Enemy stats remain constant, i.e. the same enemy in the same place/time will have the same stats regardless of your own. They don't change with your level. As the game progresses you find more and more powerful enemies, but that has zero correlation to your actual character level - which, as I said, you can also verify by simply going into Chapter 5 with YRP at very low level and finding that everything is much higher than you; or, conversely, by leveling YRP to very high levels early on and seeing that everything is not. Both are easy to do using the CC (and I've done it lots of times for various reasons).

You don't need to trust the Wiki, or some guide. You can literally see it for yourself.

[pre-eminence]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hinnyuu:

That's just... not true. It's easy to verify using Sensor or whatever. Or you can just look up the stats on the wiki, which are all fixed.

What happens is that areas change with chapters, and you get different enemies in the same areas depending on what chapter you're in - but those enemies will always have the same stats in the same chapter, and those stats are completely independent of your level. Also easy to verify, thanks to the CC you can keep YRP at very low levels all the way to Chapter 5 and you'll quickly see enemies significantly higher level than yourself.

The only thing that changes with your YRP levels is the level of fiends that you recruit via the Creature Creator, as you recruit them. They don't scale when you fight them.

Perhaps you're getting that impression because the enemies in the fiend arena can have different (often higher) stats/levels than the same enemy when encountered outside - but those, too, are independent of your YRP level, and always fixed; just fixed at different values.

the wiki is literally full of outright incorrect information. wikis are not a trustworthy source, because the people editing them are not trustworthy sources. i trust my official prima strategy guide from years and years ago which i still have over a wiki. yes, as chapter progress harder enemies spawn instead. and its also true that after level 50, virtually everything in the game begins to outscale your characters. going over level 30 makes the final dungeon far harder because most of the enemies there have about 20% more stats than you across the board, and a few have max in some stats, from 30-40. your garbage wiki might not show the scaled stats, but the guide does.

You are not a trust worthy source, as you're lying with no evidence to back up your claims. Hinnyuu is right in the way enemy stats work in X-2

[Casurin]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Chad "The King" Thundercock:

the wiki is literally full of outright incorrect information. wikis are not a trustworthy source, because the people editing them are not trustworthy sources. i trust my official prima strategy guide from years and years ago which i still have over a wiki.

Sooooo.. rather than going with the source that is checked by hundreds of people and updated with correction you rely on an older book that had been known to have errors on the day of its release?
Ok - you do you.

[The Smug Chuckle]

Well I haven't been able to try it out since it doesn't start for me. All I get is a white screen at start up with a loading windows cursor. FF X works fine.

[Sephiroth]

good battle and level up/progression system [besides enemies scaling to your lv apparently never had a problem with enemies in the game even as a 10 year old] and cringe/short story