Why does the dlc have mostly neg rating

[Milke)]

I was thinking of getting this game but why does the only dlc have such bad reviews and is it necessary to get it?

[Sighman]

I've just spent four hours at a spire site (Odyssey-only content) with 2-3 other commanders. Using our scorpion SRVs, we started by hunting down and shooting Banshees and their accompanying Revenants.

One commander boarded my Scorpion SRV for some of the battle, with me driving and him manning the turret.

Once we'd cleared the banshees and their ground-to-air defences, we started on the interceptors and scouts flying overhead.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3065581704

Anyway, my point is that it's worth organising a group to go to one of the spire sites, and you can only do that in Odyssey. (It was only added just over a week ago, with Update 17)

[Glyan]

Origineel geplaatst door Sighman:

Origineel geplaatst door Glyan:

You forget that the rifle that can only be added to the Odyssey content has no sense of strike, and the ballistic experience is very bad. It should not be stabilized through upgrades. The developer should increase the recoil to increase the player difficulty, and obtain the stability of the recoil through upgrades.

The plasma sniper? I wouldn't expect any recoil with a plasma weapon - unlike a ballistic weapon which is hurling ordnance with actual mass.

I'm using the plasma machine-gun these days (Oppressor) which is far better than people say it is.

There is no weapon in ED that qualifies as a sniper rifle. You cannot call something that looks like spaghetti, tastes like spaghetti, and is made from spaghetti as "sushi". This is tantamount to humiliating two countries.

Although I am not European or American, in the game, I can say that I regard guns as important as my life. It can also be said that I take a break from work. When I am enjoying ED: OD alone, in this stressful world The only chance to release my imprisoned soul. If I didn't love ED, I wouldn't care about the bad aspects of this game. For casual players, they wouldn't have any further comments. They would just think this is Okay, or is that bad, and then come back in 5 years and see how many things have been updated in this game?

That's just a plasma cannon with a relatively long and thin barrel.

I am willing to give a fair evaluation to Odyssey, and I will continue to give a fair evaluation to Odyssey in future updates, but this is my current real experience and evaluation, you can convince yourself, and hypnotize yourself.

I'm not going to defend the Odyssey's current water gun because it's not up to par, although not by a "satisfactory" standard. In my opinion, the difference is just one step, I encourage developers to keep improving.

[Lightman]

I bought Odyssey before I started playing ED again this weekend, trying to relearn the game and trying out Odyssey stuff. So far, I spent over 2mil buying gear and lost another 2mil due to various incidents involving triggerhappy guards trying to kill me while I was trying to complete missions they hired me to do. So yeah, I can understand the negative rating, the most interesting looking part of it seems completely broken and unpolished, which is not a good sign for a 2,5 year old DLC.

[Gagdad⚫͗̃́̈̿̾̈͂̈́̏̏]

still better than starfailed

[Planewalker]

Origineel geplaatst door Dead Baron:

Instead of making a living universe it's like they're using design mechanics for a 2003 MMO. All about stats and progress bars. I have no idea how the Thargoid war or different factions are impacting the galaxy, they're only mentioned in Galnet posts nobody pays attention to.

Interesting claiming to both know and be ignorant...

Anywho, this thread analyzes the thargoid influence & patterns (37 pages and counting):
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/analysing-the-thargoid-simulation.611382/

[ShelLuser]

If you look closely at the Odyssey reviews you'll notice that "All" is mostly negative, however recent reviews are rated as "Mostly positive". And the reason is simple: not too many people bother with honest reviews, ergo: when something changes with the game then they don't bother to change their review because "effort?".

Odyssey was very tricky in the beginning, it was not good(tm). My review was also negative at that time, even though I generally enjoyed it.

But right now I'd say that Odyssey sits in the same place as Horizons once did before it: you don't really need it, but once you start playing with it then chances are very high that you'll never look back again either.

Thing is, Odyssey is touted as an FPS combat expansion but that's really not doing it much justice. I played some FPS combat rounds myself but ... meh, if I want to play COD then I'd grab that. Instead I focus on the good stuff(tm). Planetary exploration, enjoying the (thin!) atmospheric planets, the extra capacity in the Scarab rover, regular missions which suddenly have a lot more to do because they added "Odyssey contents".

IMO there's something special about finding an Earth-like planet while you're deep in the dark, thousands of lightyears away from Earth ("Sol") itself. Well, for me there's also something special about finding a planet with a thin atmosphere in the deep dark, only to realize that it also has organic plantbased life!

I honestly don't see myself just playing the base game anymore.

[trouvere_york]

Odyssey adds to the base game in so many ways, I would say it is indispensable. Best of all, the new updates are now directly receiving Odyssey specific content so it feels like the foot game is getting a lot more attention.

We're also building up towards something really quite special happening in the foot game as well.

If you like Elite and interesting in going deeper, buying Odyssey is pretty damned essential.

[Alrik]

Origineel geplaatst door Milke:

I was thinking of getting this game but why does the only dlc have such bad reviews and is it necessary to get it?

The Odyssey dlc has such bad reviews because fans have had unrealistic expections.

For example:
The base game Elite Dangerous has a very good ship customisation game mechanic.
Players can add different modules to their ships (thrusters, power plants, power distributors, weapons) with advantages / disadvanteges to fit the ships to their style of play.
Moduls can be buyed with money from starports, and some are only aviable at high tech starports. Just using the most expensiv usually doesn't work because of power requierments, so players have to balance their builds.
It's very similar to the weapon customisation many first person shooters use today.

So many fans have had the false expectation that Frontier would use a similar system for handheld weapons and space suits after advertising that customisation & upgrades of those would be in the DLC.
Some even dreamed about cool upgrades like the suits from Crysis or Stalker (Chameleon Cameo and strength improving exoskelletons).

But Frontier decided to use an upgrade system like an old fantasy RPG from 2000 for the space suits and handheld weapons.
Players need to collect materials to upgrade the suits / weapons and each upgrade unlocks a socket for mods.

So many players there unhappy with those game mechanics, because the expected more modern ones.
For example:
How to get a better scope for your gun in most games:
Go to the store, buy one or find it as loot.

How to get a better scope for your gun in Elite Dangerous:
You need to unlock a highly skilled Engineer to add a better scope to your weapon, an because scopse are such a high tech item not any engineer can doe that, you have to unlock 2 other engineers first.

Complete 10 Restore or Reactivation On Foot missions to unlock the engineer Jude Navarro
Provide 5 units of Genetic Repair Meds to learn about the engineer Terra Velasquez.
Complete 6 Covert Heist and/or Covert Theft On Foot missions to unlock her.
Provide 15 units of Financial Projections to learn about Oden Geiger.
Sell 20 total units of Biological Sample, Employee Genetic Data, and/or Genetic Research to Bartenders to unlock Oden Geiger.

Upgrade your grade 1 weapon at a Pioneer Supplies store to at least grade 2 by collecting:
1x Weapon Schematic
1x Ionised Gas
1x Manufacturing Instructions
5x Microelectrode
5x Optical Fibre
500,000 CR
This will unlock a slot for a modification.

If the upgrade slot for grade 2 is already full players need to upgrade to grade 3
5x Weapon Schematic
5x Ionised Gas
5x Manufacturing Instructions
15x Microelectrode
15x Optical Fibre

If you have a free slot give Oden Geiger:
10x Spectral Analysis Data
5x Biometric Data
10x Optical Lens
5x Optical Fibre
500,000 CR

If you don't have the materials for that you can barter them at a station with a bartender. Oden Geigers stations doesn't have one.
If you don't have a free slot for a modification you can upgrade the weapon at a station with Pioneer Supplies store. Oden Geigers stations doesn't have one.
In fact, all Engineers have the same base layout (a windowless 2 room basement), and none of them has a Bartender or Pioneer Supplies store.

He will then add a scope as modification to your gun. If you don't like it: that modification can't be removed, so that upgrade slot is lost.

[funkynutz]

Origineel geplaatst door Alrik:

He will then add a scope as modification to your gun. If you don't like it: that modification can't be removed, so that upgrade slot is lost.

The weapon attachments/modification system is bloody stupid... Even i have to agree on that one lol.

It's pointless upgrading tier 1 anything. Takes a bit of running around, but it's worth spending the time (and credits) to get everything at tier 3. Plus if you get lucky, you'll already have some decent mods on them as well.

[funkynutz]

That looks like it's indoors...?

[James Moriarty]

In a nut shell, because Odyssey is a below average FPS, with massive grind for engineering onfoot gear, which still suffers from bad performance/optimization.

[Sam Willet]

Origineel geplaatst door James Moriarty:

In a nut shell, because Odyssey is a below average FPS, with massive grind for engineering onfoot gear, which still suffers from bad performance/optimization.

it's not an FPS, it's far more of a stealth game. There is the CZ FPS mode, but running into a regular settlement and opening fire is a recipe for disaster (and a rebuy screen)

And they've been optimising it with every update. I recently upgraded to a 3060ti which gives me a solid 60fps everywhere, no matter what I'm doing, but before that I played happily for 2 years with a 1660ti.

In another couple of years, as gamers go through regular hardware updates, optimisation with this game will cease to even be a footnote.

[Lightman]

Origineel geplaatst door Sam Willet:

Origineel geplaatst door James Moriarty:

In a nut shell, because Odyssey is a below average FPS, with massive grind for engineering onfoot gear, which still suffers from bad performance/optimization.

it's not an FPS, it's far more of a stealth game. There is the CZ FPS mode, but running into a regular settlement and opening fire is a recipe for disaster (and a rebuy screen)

And they've been optimising it with every update. I recently upgraded to a 3060ti which gives me a solid 60fps everywhere, no matter what I'm doing, but before that I played happily for 2 years with a 1660ti.

In another couple of years, as gamers go through regular hardware updates, optimisation with this game will cease to even be a footnote.

Stealth game? Lol? Doesn't have proper stealth mechanics for that (I wish it had, but it doesn't). You can literally get fines and bounties even if nobody saw what you did, that's not how stealth works.

[Sighman]

Origineel geplaatst door Lightman:

Stealth game? Lol? Doesn't have proper stealth mechanics for that (I wish it had, but it doesn't). You can literally get fines and bounties even if nobody saw what you did, that's not how stealth works.

In a lawful settlement your suit (and that of your victims) reports everything you do. That's how the game works, by design. No different from your Android or Apple phone tracking your every move online and IRL.

If you don't want bounties, don't kill innocent people. Go to an anarchy settlement instead.

[Koopa]

Origineel geplaatst door Sam Willet:

running into a regular settlement and opening fire is a recipe for disaster (and a rebuy screen)

get real dawg this game is easy even with G1 suits and weapons I can solo high sec settlements, its never been a "stealth" game if so why does the dominator suit exist or guns, the AI is too jank for stealth to really be viable.