What is HBAO+ What next-gen means :

[HUX]

The witcher 3 (2015) HBAO+
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904247808

The witcher 3 (2015) SSAO
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904247743

The witcher 3 (2022) next gen SSAO
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904247918

Now you know

[Maverick81PL]

There is also now RTX ambient onclusion, and this looks insane with path traced light. But yes HBAO+ looks better on DX11

[HUX]

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

There is also now RTX ambient onclusion, and this looks insane with path traced light. But yes HBAO+ looks better on DX11

Don't get mistaken.
It looks better on dx11 from the 2015 "classic" version only.
The dx11 (and 12) "next gen ssao" is not even close.

[Maverick81PL]

Originally posted by HUX:

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

There is also now RTX ambient onclusion, and this looks insane with path traced light. But yes HBAO+ looks better on DX11

Don't get mistaken.
It looks better on dx11 from the 2015 "classic" version only.
The dx11 (and 12) "next gen ssao" is not even close.

DX12 is path traced ambient onclusion so its not a fake like SSO or BHAO ambient onclusion.

Looks better with RTX ON, and more realistic.

Other are just fake effects bit in some games looks nice, but still I prefer this with RT

[deevil]

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

Originally posted by HUX:

Don't get mistaken.
It looks better on dx11 from the 2015 "classic" version only.
The dx11 (and 12) "next gen ssao" is not even close.

DX12 is path traced ambient onclusion so its not a fake like SSO or BHAO ambient onclusion.

Looks better with RTX ON, and more realistic.

Other are just fake effects bit in some games looks nice, but still I prefer this with RT

not everyone has vcards with RT

[HUX]

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

Originally posted by HUX:

Don't get mistaken.
It looks better on dx11 from the 2015 "classic" version only.
The dx11 (and 12) "next gen ssao" is not even close.

DX12 is path traced ambient onclusion so its not a fake like SSO or BHAO ambient onclusion.

Looks better with RTX ON, and more realistic.

Other are just fake effects bit in some games looks nice, but still I prefer this with RT

These screenshots compare NON-RT ambient occlusion.

[Maxz85]

I hope old SSAO/HBAO+ can be patched in through mods. Not everyone got GPU powerful enough for raytraycing at 60 fps

[Ruby]

Game now looks worse for the average user without rtx

[Maverick81PL]

Originally posted by Maxz85:

I hope old SSAO/HBAO+ can be patched in through mods. Not everyone got GPU powerful enough for raytraycing at 60 fps

I play at 30FPS cap on 2070S with RT so not all need 60FPS for play ;-)

[schachmatt123]

Typical marketing trick: Make the non RT version look worse, so the RT version looks better in comparison. The RT SSAO doesn't look much better than the HBAO+ btw, if at all.

Still incredible how many people fall for this. The indutrie calls them "useful idiots".

[HUX]

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

Originally posted by Maxz85:

I hope old SSAO/HBAO+ can be patched in through mods. Not everyone got GPU powerful enough for raytraycing at 60 fps

I play at 30FPS cap on 2070S with RT so not all need 60FPS for play ;-)

Indeed, when the frametime is stable, 30 FPS can be enough to enjoy.
But overall, for long sessions, 30 FPS is tiring for my eyes :) Just my feeling.

[schachmatt123]

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

I play at 30FPS cap on 2070S with RT so not all need 60FPS for play ;-)

8 GB of Vram are not enough in this unoptimised game to run RT in all situations. In and around Novigrad you'll find out the hard way.

Oh, and I don't play on pc to run a 7.5 year old game with 30 FPS. The game looks nice, but certainly not that nice to justify the poor performance.

[HUX]

Originally posted by schachmatt123:

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

I play at 30FPS cap on 2070S with RT so not all need 60FPS for play ;-)

8 GB of Vram are not enough in this unoptimised game to run RT in all situations. In and around Novigrad you'll find out the hard way.

Oh, and I don't play on pc to run a 7.5 year old game with 30 FPS. The game looks nice, but certainly not that nice to justify the poor performance.

I got back to witcher3 classic, and the game ran so smoothly with HD reworked.
BUT I have to tell there are some graphical improvements in the next gen version (besides the terrible SSAO) like the foliage density. Even in extreme, the classic version is way less dense than the current version in medium/high.
Some cursors have changed in the graphic settings, and the extreme in 2015 is like the medium/high now.
I must admit that it is "normal" that the current version is not as fluid with the same settings.

[Kaldaien]

Hobbit Ambient Occlusion.

[Maverick81PL]

Originally posted by schachmatt123:

Typical marketing trick: Make the non RT version look worse, so the RT version looks better in comparison. The RT SSAO doesn't look much better than the HBAO+ btw, if at all.

Still incredible how many people fall for this. The indutrie calls them "useful idiots".

SSAO and HBAO are fake soft shadows and you will see then all time with all scenes no matter how the light falls.

RT Ambient with path traced light and shadows is like real in life falls. You see soft shadows only when you will see this shadows in real life.

There is no marketing here, its just hardware technology.

The one "useful idiots" its I think author, but this must be becasue o lack knowekdke he has ;-)

[NuttyNut]

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

Originally posted by HUX:

Don't get mistaken.
It looks better on dx11 from the 2015 "classic" version only.
The dx11 (and 12) "next gen ssao" is not even close.

DX12 is path traced ambient onclusion so its not a fake like SSO or BHAO ambient onclusion.

Looks better with RTX ON, and more realistic.

Other are just fake effects bit in some games looks nice, but still I prefer this with RT

This game uses raytracing and not pathtracing. If it did the fps would be in the single digits even for 4090 users.