The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

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pjedilord Jun 24, 2022 @ 3:07pm
Wild Hunt Geralt Belief?
What is Geralt belief? he mentions Godspeed often,but his pals at HQ don't.
Skyrim there is many faiths,Wild Hunt not much? Can Geralt be accepted in
to their church?
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That's...kind of an interesting question actually. I'd preface it by saying, I've many times been tempted to writeup on here *why* people hate or distrust witchers so much, and for good reason, particularly after seeing all the complete idiocy of plebbitors rambling about "hurrr they just persecute witches cus theyre different and bigoted durrr" There's very, very good reason to distrust or outright persecute everybody from witchers to witches, people of the alleged "faith" to born to rule politicians, to the very merchants and peasants with whom you're frequently dealing.

I think that in terms of the faiths in this game, a good example to see would be the Crones. They're literally a local religious cult of Velen, and they actually provably do exist, but that they're also evil, like evil as in, literal child eating monsters. So faith gets toyed with quite a bit in this universe because I think that some of the gods and cults are just outright fakes, whereas others stupidly put their faiths in kings to an extent, and others are provably real-ish. Like I think it was Melitele that in the first Witcher game you could actually get some kind of blessings from it as Geralt, but I forget how that worked, if could've also been just a Source power thing like when you're getting skill points at sources of power in W3, or they were actual real beings blessing him. So people that didn't play the series may be more in the dark.

I haven't finished this game yet, but Geralt clearly hates the Eternal Flame cultists, which in their case, formerly was a sorceress' Lodge-like conspiracy of some guy trying to stop the apocalypse more or less by creating a Nazi regime through Order of the Flaming Rose. The Eternal Fire guys are pretty much like them, more or less, without Grandmaster Jacque Aldesberg.

So see thing is, this game is rife with all kind of conspiracies too, and even Order of the Flaming Rose was what would iirc end up being backed by Radovid, which I forget if he ever knew of the Grandmaster's real schemes. Or if I'm mixing it up.

Geralt, by being a witcher, knows this, both by dealing with real actual monsters like the Crones, and also the real actual monsters practicing fanatical faith. He outright states at some point about Menge not having fear of death "that's something I always hated about fanatics." So Geralt, in spite of actually being a human, is, by definition of the Eternal Flame types, a mutant and an outsider, just like all the benign vampires, changelings, dopplers, elves, dwarves etc. And so canonically he's also not really a fan of the Scoia'tel terrorists sleeping under bushes, or the Nazis hiding behind frocks, nor the kings and various schemers. I don't know why he's presented as being more sympathetic to the mages, because I freaking hate them and they're never shown as even half sympathetic enough to merit Geralt's tolerance.

I think a thing to keep in mind about faith in this game is that there's the Conjunction, and therefore "faith" can be swept into broad connections with these medieval intelligence agencies like the Redanians and the way Radovid is using and backing both the gangsters and the cults to destabalize Novigrad so he can take it over, as well also seemingly cynical as he's doing this. So does even Radovid believe? Not too sure. Many people clearly don't, at least humans, who have various local deities and pagan gods, but above the peasants seems not as much for humans, and for elves, they have their own religions, which brings into question: how real or true is each faith before and after Conjunction? Because it's a question about how can say Elven deities still contact them if able, is Melitele real and has power to contact people of this world, are they just worshipping swamp demons like Crones etc.

My take on it is Geralt himself has no religion. I think that in this world, it's more the secret societies and magic having power. The human faiths are a lot aligned against magic, which is completely foreign to them historically, as this world is not their home. Meanwhile the witchers themselves are different schools descended from the one original secret society that was basically created by alchemists/mages under royal order of the earlier kings to deal with the monster problem running rampant in their kingdoms. I think for Geralt, it's more a matter of, can I kill it, can I get paid for killing it, and is it a real or magical threat against the people, where part of the whole point about this game and its universe is one question:
But what is a monster?

I think to Geralt, gods would be more monsters, superstitions, intelligences, and sources of power, where the religions are all mostly just cults and pagan religions based largely on European mythology. Conjunction of the Spheres is never explained so fully and clearly what was going on in the other worlds or what these places were like, in sense that many of these monsters are no more native to this planet than is humanity, and often blurs the line between just other planets, where gods still wouldn't be real, and other dimensions, where an actual all powerful God would exist. Our concept of God I think is treated as largely foreign, in that God would still have power over all the worlds and all the dimensions, but is largely absent here.

I also have not really seen anything talk much about the afterlife, neither in show nor games and no I haven't read the books, so I think the author himself might be a bit of an agnostic or atheist or some sort of European occultist/pagan. But all I do know is that life after death is treated as a very real thing, in the sense that it's terrible if you come back, and you can evidently easily come back as any manner of curse or simple misfortune, from drowners to noonwraiths. So I can't think of much talk about afterlife beyond that. I think that in general, Geralt looks down on peasant superstitions, but is willing to check in on that in case it's based on real things in the lore like monsters and curses.
tigerpoetry Jun 24, 2022 @ 4:32pm 
It's nothing to do with faith.

Geralt saying things like 'god speed' is no more than me saying 'see you' when I pass someone in the street. Please don't think that Geralt needs to have a religion. He doesn't.

Don't pay any attention to Red Star, Blood Moon. For some weird reason, that person just wants to flood this forum with an endless diatribe... pitiful, really.

I'd advise you to play the game, read the original books and make your own mind up.

I've advised you before to listen to the dialogue in the game. I've also suggested that you read the books that you find in-game.

I don't think that Geralt is religious.
Originally posted by tigerpoetry:
It's nothing to do with faith.

Geralt saying things like 'god speed' is no more than me saying 'see you' when I pass someone in the street. Please don't think that Geralt needs to have a religion. He doesn't.

Don't pay any attention to Red Star, Blood Moon. For some weird reason, that person just wants to flood this forum with an endless diatribe... pitiful, really.

I'd advise you to play the game, read the original books and make your own mind up.

I've advised you before to listen to the dialogue in the game. I've also suggested that you read the books that you find in-game.

I don't think that Geralt is religious.
Diatribe implies that I'm ranting against something here. I'm calmly explaining to the OP the outlines of the kind of world this actually is, and the role of faith within it. That you got some kind of ultra weird butthurt out of it and posting largely non-salient things is not my problem.
Sabaithal Jun 24, 2022 @ 7:16pm 
Geralt is for all intents and purposes a pragmatist. He doesn't do belief, if you expect him to believe something he has to see it for himself. And he usually doesn't accept the typical explanation, what with him being well versed in the supernatural, and killing the supernatural.

Its more emphasized in the books about it, mostly a bunch of people clearly making claims where they have no idea what creatures they are talking about, and Geralt calmly nodding...then leaving town because there is nothing to see here.
Eternal Return Jun 25, 2022 @ 8:37am 
Geralt has dedicated his life to the practice of Scunto Bimp.
Originally posted by tigerpoetry:
Hope you got the answer, OP.

I apologise for the long posts in the middle. i did not want that.
K that's fine.

Onto other matters, because I haven't read the books, I really don't know what the *actual* place of *actual* gods in this lore is, because I do know there's your usual places of power, and all kind of just super powerful demonic entities like the Crones, but there's also seeming to be indicated that at the very least some of the Elven gods may have some real power iirc which would indicate based on this being their homeworld afaik that it's a sort of regional thing. Which I think bottom line there's no concept of a one universal God like we have, where ours would be all encompassing over the universe at least at basic minimum if not multiverses, as opposed to so many of these that are quaint in comparison.

I do think it's also interesting that the concept of "gods" have expanded dramatically over the course of human development, to where starting a pox or unleashing an atom bomb would be considered in the realm only of what gods can do, and to where even so much as having the rains or creating thunder would've been considered to be something making one a pagan god whereas today we clearly wouldn't even ascribe much power to that even were it existing as such, and so I think Witcher is much the same. Like the Brother Moons of Dead Space would be very clearly gods according to medieval humans on which this is based, but we'd never think of them as actual gods.

Also I just got to Skellige not long ago so take what I say with grain of salt I haven't even played Tousaint yet or gotten deep into Skellige but they do indeed talk about afterlife in Skellige. I mention this all in concept of the weird question about Geralt because the role of what people actually believe in universe as opposed to what's actually real is an interesting one given that some royal court sponsored cult's god may not even exist whereas something a handful of bog dwelling superstitious peasants worship might actually be real and more superpowerful than most magical beings even a Leshen.
Sabaithal Jun 25, 2022 @ 1:08pm 
Honestly, its hard to say whether or not any given "god" actually exists. Even the books don't really make that clear. Since this world does have supernatural entities as a common occurance, and since there seem to be implications of intent that is not directly seen, its very hard to know anything for certain.
pjedilord Jun 26, 2022 @ 4:12pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Geralt is for all intents and purposes a pragmatist. He doesn't do belief, if you expect him to believe something he has to see it for himself. And he usually doesn't accept the typical explanation, what with him being well versed in the supernatural, and killing the supernatural.

Its more emphasized in the books about it, mostly a bunch of people clearly making claims where they have no idea what creatures they are talking about, and Geralt calmly nodding...then leaving town because there is nothing to see here.


Originally posted by tigerpoetry:
It's nothing to do with faith.

Geralt saying things like 'god speed' is no more than me saying 'see you' when I pass someone in the street. Please don't think that Geralt needs to have a religion. He doesn't.
I don't think that Geralt is religious.




I think Geralt mentions Godspeed out of respect and being nice,but he may have
little faith,having played the trilogy,i suspect he belives bit.
He was good freinds with sigfred.Geralt believes in ghosts so may do.
Sabaithal Jun 26, 2022 @ 4:24pm 
Originally posted by pjedilord:
I think Geralt mentions Godspeed out of respect and being nice,but he may have
little faith,having played the trilogy,i suspect he belives bit.
He was good freinds with sigfred.Geralt believes in ghosts so may do.
We need a bit more than a common expression to go off of. Case and point, I'm an atheist, but me saying "Oh for the love of god" is still a common occurrence. Doesn't mean anything.

As for what he believes...well its possible he believes in "destiny" the enigmatic force that seems to exist, but that's about it. And that's only due to his experiences in the books.

And as for ghosts...they are a thing. What does that have to do with belief? Again, in a world already teeming with the supernatural, this means nothing.
tigerpoetry Jun 26, 2022 @ 4:43pm 
jeez.

Are we still even debating this?

Geralt is a witcher.

He hates magic: it's in the books. He has no religion. Religious players of the game might want him to, but I'm sorry to say, he does not.

End of story.

As to the OP's other question, it is irrelevant, because of what I just said. Geralt would not want to join any church... full stop.

So, if you're catholic, protestant, or any other religion, tough.

You will not have Geralt rattling rosaries or anything else.

He is not religious! No witcher is.

Listen to them! Listen to Lambert, Eskel, Vesemir... I give up!
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pjedilord Jun 26, 2022 @ 4:48pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by pjedilord:
I think Geralt mentions Godspeed out of respect and being nice,but he may have
little faith,having played the trilogy,i suspect he belives bit.
He was good freinds with sigfred.Geralt believes in ghosts so may do.
We need a bit more than a common expression to go off of. Case and point, I'm an atheist, but me saying "Oh for the love of god" is still a common occurrence. Doesn't mean anything.

As for what he believes...well its possible he believes in "destiny" the enigmatic force that seems to exist, but that's about it. And that's only due to his experiences in the books.

And as for ghosts...they are a thing. What does that have to do with belief? Again, in a world already teeming with the supernatural, this means nothing.



But why mention God if dont belive? its like robots technology mentioning made by china
as they are made in china, but they dont belive they was made in china,if people dont belive they would not mention.

But what Geralt is mention is diffent, if he did not belive would not mention Godspeed.
Its like mention he wants God to look out for him, Geralt has many tools of the trade
He may use it as like map of danger to live, he died but did not die so changed him, prob
why he belives bit. Played 1st game?

Ghosts is proof in the game they have purpose and should not be in the world why Geralt disposes them. So he ponders what will happen to him when hes ghost?
pjedilord Jun 26, 2022 @ 4:51pm 
Originally posted by tigerpoetry:
jeez.



As to the OP's other question, it is irrelevant, because of what I just said. Geralt would not want to join any church... full stop.

I remember talking to main church man in the game, but he was rude to Geralt, but
cant remember what they mention?
tigerpoetry Jun 26, 2022 @ 5:05pm 
Sorry, pal

I'll put it to you straight, whether you like it or not,

Where does Geralt ever mention 'God'? As far as I know, and I'm damned sure about this, he does not. He does not use the word 'God' ever. He does not say 'Jesus' even once. He does not say Jehovah, Vishnu, Mohammed,or any other god, or religious figure.

this is a game.

It is not religious.

we've been here before. Just play the game... please.

Geralt will never join a faction or church. He wouldn't in the original books and because of that, he will never do it in the games.
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Castyles Jun 26, 2022 @ 6:05pm 
Originally posted by tigerpoetry:
He is not religious! No witcher is.
Wrong. You can find some notes written by a witcher, in Toussaint, explaining how he abandoned the witcher path and joined the cult of the prophet Lebioda because he believed in the "miracles" that were shown.
Anvos Jun 26, 2022 @ 9:19pm 
Geralt himself, I'd say falls under pragmatic agnostic. Its rather clear he's not a true believer of any of his universe's religions, but at that same time he's not going to shun tangible benefits of religions.

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As for the world itself that seems harder to say, and it honestly seems like the Witcher world is as much one where the world reached the Medieval Era without a proper Axial Age religion having developed and spread yet, and thus is still mostly variants of paganism with a lot of local cults/deities still existing.
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