SSE4.1 and SSSE3 no longer required (experimental) - Debugging the Hello Games logo/starfield crash

[Zutroy]

FINAL: As of about 3hrs ago from this update posting, the experimental branch has been updated; read here for how to opt in to the experimental build if you would like to:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/7/360672304897578119/

It appears that CPU's with a lack of SSE4.1 and SSSE3 support are able to run the game. I can confirm this, amongst many others. This mostly affected users with AMD Phenom I/II and some AMD Athlon series CPU's, along with first generation AMD A-Series CPU's (some older Intel CPU's also had this issue, but the first experimental patch fixed that). If you're still having problems with a crash at the Hello Games logo or starfield intro, this discussion no longer applies. If you still have problems, perhaps take a look at the Landing page of this forum for official updates, and/or read through the list of common issues with suggested solutions here:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/1/360672304899575910/

For reference, I'm keeping the link to the original discussion here:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/1/360672137535529618/?ctp=72#c360672304897793884

There is no need to follow the suggested workaround with the latest experimental patch, however, so don't read too much into it.

[Eminor [Master DJ]]

引用自 Thebe：

Well Shot Doctor, do you really think that the normal gamer knows what SSE 4.1 and all this stuff is? I dont, and i am gaming for a long time now, and so far every game worked and i never had problems because my CPU dont support SSE 4.1+ .

Honestly it's pretty easy, it's a set up catch 22 forwarded for maximum income irregerdless of what is right, wrong, real, or true. They are a business and they behave as such, even though they have placed a human face on it to make it seem humane, it isn't, it's a money machine ready to tear you and the world apart for income sake.

[Fabiotjer]

引用自 Eminor：

Honestly it's pretty easy, it's a set up catch 22 forwarded for maximum income irregerdless of what is right, wrong, real, or true. They are a business and they behave as such, even though they have placed a himan face on it to make it seem humane, it isn't, it's a money machine ready to tear you and the world apart for income sake.

Can people please get out of here with their stupid politics and conspiracy theories? I would personally like this thread to be used for updates regarding the SSE4.1 fix.

[♞ Shot Doctor]

Well no i didnt either before this issue all i was saying though is technically in the min spec they said i3 (new tech in comparison to the phenom i have) hence why they put i3 instead of sse4 what ever, because thats language we would understand. Basically by putting an i series as min spec they were saying in effect reasonably new tech. This game is pushing boundaries of what games can accomplish do you really expect them to magically make it run on a celeron or old tech (and yes celeron was an exajuration for effect) but yes maybe i was wrong to say "they really dont have to". As regards the opengl thing ye ok i wasnt talking about that but yes valid point made. Now can we move on please

[AcidBoiii]

引用自 Fabiotjer：

引用自 Eminor：

Honestly it's pretty easy, it's a set up catch 22 forwarded for maximum income irregerdless of what is right, wrong, real, or true. They are a business and they behave as such, even though they have placed a himan face on it to make it seem humane, it isn't, it's a money machine ready to tear you and the world apart for income sake.

Can people please get out of here with their stupid politics and conspiracy theories? I would personally like this thread to be used for updates regarding the SSE4.1 fix.

Yeah!

[Kris Reddish]

Ha, folks they do have to fix the issue for folks that have older CPUs. Becuase many still use them and millions of dollars is not something they want to blow away being the first game needing SSE 4.1. Also folks see I3 needed and have PII9XXbe or whatever then how the ♥♥♥♥ would they know then need SSE 4.1 you think all PC gamers are devs, or even know what half of the instrustion sets on the CPU even do?

[Smart]

Thebe:

Games-developers stopped years ago giving exact information what functions your cpu/gpu has to have in order to run a game.

2005 they typically said "you need a SSE 3-capable cpu with at least 2.x Ghz and a Shader model 3.0 capable gpu".

Today they just tell you need a modern Core i3 and an Nvidia GTX 750. That´s it. That includes all information you need to know.

That includes that the Core i3 has to be modern and that a very old AMD Phenom 2 is not supported.

You know what SSE 4.1 is? It`s similar to AVX. If an AVX-game needs AVX, you cannot get the same framerate with it, running with just e.g. non-AVX-cpus. Of course not.

See? This just means your cpu is much too old. If you don´t know it: AVX uses 256 bit-instructions. While SSE 4.1 is limited to 128 bit.

If you use a 256 bit-designed game (e.g. requiring AVX) on a non-AVX-cpu it means it will run significantly slower than on the 256bit-capable cpu.

Usually a 256 bit AVX-instruction can run double as fast as the 128-bit instruction (non-AVX).

[Grimm]

Guys please keep posts on topic. Thanks.

[Eminor [Master DJ]]

引用自 Fabiotjer：

引用自 Eminor：

Honestly it's pretty easy, it's a set up catch 22 forwarded for maximum income irregerdless of what is right, wrong, real, or true. They are a business and they behave as such, even though they have placed a himan face on it to make it seem humane, it isn't, it's a money machine ready to tear you and the world apart for income sake.

Can people please get out of here with their stupid politics and conspiracy theories? I would personally like this thread to be used for updates regarding the SSE4.1 fix.

Lol conspiracy xD, that's a typical business model you tard, do you live under a rock?

[♞ Shot Doctor]

Well to get back on topic they are working on it, thats as much as we know :D im sure someone will post any update on the situation here when it happens

[wisthler]

they posted on the main section of the forum to inform us that they are busy testing the fix for AMD. It would have been nice if we didn't had the same information 3h ago on twitter...

[AcidBoiii]

One of the Pinned topics got updated just a note at the end.

"Currently older AMD Phenom CPUs do not support SSE 4.1, which causes the title to crash. We’re testing a fix for this."

[Eilo]

Thanks Jesus, lol, worked for me (Athlon II X4 640), playable (lots of stuttering though, esp. in the first half hour).

Still not sure why they used SSE instructions though. If my 6 year old CPU can play the game via SSE software emulation, they clearly didn't need the optimzed instruction set to begin with. My C knowledge is a little bit rusty, but isn't it just a compiler switch? So making a new working binary shouldn't be too difficult :)

[Zakor]

I was able to get a decent and playable fps when im not stuttering using the emulator, with a phenon II x4 955, ofc it still crappy, most of the time its freezing and stuff and i dont want to play like that but im hoping for the future updates to make things better

[Zakor]

the thing is that even they realize that old cpus are havin problems, some even bellow minimum but that isnt supose to happen

[Fabiotjer]

The experimental branch was just updated
https://steamdb.info/app/275850/depots/
So they're working on it :)