Best mining multitool?

[ICountFrom0]

The wiki implies it's the atlantid, but I just got my hands on my first REAL sentinal weapon with the hijacked beam, and the way it stacks with a mining laser so that everything seems to count twice is giving me some really good mining speeds.

On the other hand, sentinal does have the lowest mining multiplier internally.

So, a little help?

[smurfy]

Originally posted by ICountFrom0:

{snip} the way it stacks with a mining laser so that everything seems to count twice is giving me some really good mining speeds.{snip}

On the other hand, sentinal does have the lowest mining multiplier internally.

So, a little help?

Atlantid also stacks its Runic Lens with a standard Mining Laser, so will be better. But until you do the Autophage quest line, you can't get Atlantid tools so a Sentinel tool is the next best option.

[Jaggid Edje]

A few years back they made a change to the mining beam that had a side effect of making multi-tools with good damage bonuses more effective for mining than those with good mining bonuses, so that sentinel multi-tool is solid.

[ICountFrom0]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

A few years back they made a change to the mining beam that had a side effect of making multi-tools with good damage bonuses more effective for mining than those with good mining bonuses, so that sentinel multi-tool is solid.

But the staff would be even better?

[ignis]

Wait, there is a benefit in having two mining tools at the same time?

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by ICountFrom0:

But the staff would be even better?

From the standpoint of the bonuses, the sentinel multitool and Voltaic staffs are identical. Or, more accurately, the potential range of those bonuses are identical. So you could get a staff which is better than that sentinel multi-tool you have, but you could also get one that is worse.

The only straight up advantage staves have is that they start with a few more already-unlocked slots. But the maximum slots you can expand them to are the same, so that's just a short-term difference.

Edit to add: Given that supercharge slots are the big, massive tech booster, I would recommend you plan to have more than one multi-tool. One for mining where you supercharge the Optical drill and best mining laser techs and another for combat, where you supercharge your favorite weapon and all of its techs.

You could also have a 3rd, where you supercharge all the scanning techs that give +Units when you scan. That's up to you depending on how much flora/fauna/mineral scanning you like to do.
That's my goto on any playthrough...to get 3 solid S-class multi-tools, one for each of those functions.

[smurfy]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

Originally posted by ICountFrom0:

But the staff would be even better?

From the standpoint of the bonuses, the sentinel multitool and Voltaic staffs are identical. Or, more accurately, the potential range of those bonuses are identical. So you could get a staff which is better than that sentinel multi-tool you have, but you could also get one that is worse.

The only straight up advantage staves have is that they start with a few more already-unlocked slots. But the maximum slots you can expand them to are the same, so that's just a short-term difference.

Edit to add: Given that supercharge slots are the big, massive tech booster, I would recommend you plan to have more than one multi-tool. One for mining where you supercharge the Optical drill and best mining laser techs and another for combat, where you supercharge your favorite weapon and all of its techs.

You could also have a 3rd, where you supercharge all the scanning techs that give +Units when you scan. That's up to you depending on how much flora/fauna/mineral scanning you like to do.
That's my goto on any playthrough...to get 3 solid S-class multi-tools, one for each of those functions.

Ditto to this, even to the extent of having multiple weapon tools (e.g. I'll have one dedicated Boltcaster tool and one Neutron Cannon tool and maybe even a Blaze Javelin tool) to be able to fully Supercharge-enhance each of the weapons and because it is quicker to swap weapons using numbered hotkey assignments than it is to cycle through weapon modes on a single tool (particularly when you may have to go through a mining laser and a terrain manipulator to get back to the start of your weapons list).

[ICountFrom0]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

A few years back they made a change to the mining beam that had a side effect of making multi-tools with good damage bonuses more effective for mining than those with good mining bonuses, so that sentinel multi-tool is solid.

I guess the key question then is...

Is the high damage (50) a better thing to have, then the high mining (50) for atlantid?

Or is the hidden bonus shenanagans of having both a mining laser and the sentinal version of the mining laser actually make the sentinal weapon that good at mining that it should be my 4 adjacent mining tool, if I can get my hands on one?

[ignis]

Originally posted by ICountFrom0:

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

A few years back they made a change to the mining beam that had a side effect of making multi-tools with good damage bonuses more effective for mining than those with good mining bonuses, so that sentinel multi-tool is solid.

I guess the key question then is...

Is the high damage (50) a better thing to have, then the high mining (50) for atlantid?

Or is the hidden bonus shenanagans of having both a mining laser and the sentinal version of the mining laser actually make the sentinal weapon that good at mining that it should be my 4 adjacent mining tool, if I can get my hands on one?

Mining bonus is basically what, mine faster? I don't think it has any effect on mining output. How often you need to mine something really fast in late game?

In combat you want damage output as high as possible, but for mining? The only cases where it kinda matters is when mining floating crystals and metallic fingers (because they take a lot of time to mine), but I am pretty sure they also unaffected by optical drill, so you can as well mine them suing exocraft laser, which is much faster than multi-tool can be.

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by ICountFrom0:

I guess the key question then is...

Is the high damage (50) a better thing to have, then the high mining (50) for atlantid?

Or is the hidden bonus shenanagans of having both a mining laser and the sentinal version of the mining laser actually make the sentinal weapon that good at mining that it should be my 4 adjacent mining tool, if I can get my hands on one?

Mining bonus is just "faster mining". Higher damage also is "faster mining". The last time I tested the mining bonus vs. damage bonus, which was about a year ago, the two were basically equal. Could have changed in the year since, but I doubt it.

And the shenangagan's of having the mining laser and sentinel mining laser combined is massive, so it's a good choice, yes.

Note, however, that you get the same thing with an Atlandid mult-tool and the Atlas staff as well. They both have the Runic Lens, which can also be combined with a regular mining laser for that compounded mining effect just like the Sentinel mining laser. So any of those 3 types makes a great mining multi-tool.

I pesonally use the Atlas Staff for my mining multitool because I like how it looks carrying it, and that's the multitool I have out most often when on a planet. I'm vain that way. I use a Royal for scanning and a Voltaic staff (that I made) for my main combat weapon.
Much like @smurfy above, I also have a few more multitools for other weapon types, but I pretty much almost never use them.

[Scaramouche]

You should have same effect with stacking runic lens + mining beam.
My mining tool is a pistol. It came with 32.5 at mining and a cluster of 2 supercharged slots. It beat my atlantid one by far.

[SirProsik]

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[dreamrider]

The 'hidden bonus', "Class Multiplier", on S-Class Pistol type Multi-Tools is Awesome. It competes in output with the double laser types.

Before you get the Pistol up to S-Class...not so much.
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One thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned about the Sentinel MT with doubled laser: You can usually arrange to get it quite early in the game.

[ICountFrom0]

Originally posted by ignis:

can as well mine them suing exocraft laser, which is much faster than multi-tool can be.

There is advanced mining laser for the exocraft, right, but you can't do it from orbit anymore, eh?

Originally posted by dreamrider:

The 'hidden bonus', "Class Multiplier", on S-Class Pistol type Multi-Tools is Awesome. It competes in output with the double laser types.

Before you get the Pistol up to S-Class...not so much.

Tell me more about the hidden bonus on pistols?

Originally posted by Scaramouche:

You should have same effect with stacking runic lens + mining beam.

So the staff can also get a nice double power trick, so it's basically not a difference between the staff and the sentinal multitool then... well, staff has built in cloak, but you don't really fill ALL the slots...



And hay, if I can get my mining tool over the power output of an exocraft laser then I'll have "WON"....

[Galactic Starman]

Exocraft mining beams can be wickedly powerful and fast but tricky to control.

Hand held multi-tool mining beam bonuses also often extend the duration of their operation, before overheating. That can make a difference in a tricky sentinel battle when needing to mine resources quickly to make repairs or refills to charge up tech.

[SirProsik]

Well I can take out those pesky cave hazardous plants in less than a second :)