Every atlantid multi tool sucks, what gives?

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

I've been to like 20 terminals in this system and I always get B and C class. Are they locked per system? Is there any way to improve my chances without nanite upgrades, cheating or using someone else's coords? I feel like I'm missing something here. I just want A or S that isn't ugly like the one I already have, the stupid "sight" thing gets in the way.

[Spocks Toupee]

You do know that you can UPGRADE THE CLASS of any Ship or MultiTool you get, right?

You don't have to keep searching for an "S" class. Just take the "B" class, and upgrade it at a MultiTool vendor.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:

You do know that you can UPGRADE THE CLASS of any Ship or MultiTool you get, right?

You don't have to keep searching for an "S" class. Just take the "B" class, and upgrade it at a MultiTool vendor.

Originally posted by Batabii • M&L: Brothership:

without nanite upgrades

[Suzaku]

I managed to find an A-class tool that also looked cool, but that was after dozens of C-class tools. I say just find one you like and spend the nanites.

Otherwise you're fighting RNG, and any gambler knows the house always wins.

[CatPerson]

OP: with the hours you have in the game, I feel like you're just venting frustration. You should know how odds and how the "random" of "random number generation" works. Some game's RNG isn't very rough on the player. Other games the RNG can be very rough on the player (ever try getting a Zod rune in Diablo2 without cheats?).

Sometimes you get lucky and get what you want in 1-10 tries, and then maybe you'll never get that lucky again for months/years. Sometimes you get unlucky and won't get what you want in 200+ tries. And having the luck once doesn't mean you'll have the luck if you try again or that it's normal. Maybe, maybe not.

If you don't want to go the "make lots of nanites" and upgrade route, or use another player's coords etc, that's your choice. Nothing wrong with that choice, but it may (or may not) take a long time, so you need patience. Keep looking, happy hunting.

PS I'm still looking for my perfect shape/style of Interceptor. I don't even care about class tier, just the appearance. i've found two that are close but not what I know is possible. So I keep looking. I'ts been many many planets and maybe 700 hours played. Haven't got it yet. Sigh. :)

[Big65]

Originally posted by Batabii • M&L: Brothership:

Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:

You do know that you can UPGRADE THE CLASS of any Ship or MultiTool you get, right?

You don't have to keep searching for an "S" class. Just take the "B" class, and upgrade it at a MultiTool vendor.

Originally posted by Batabii • M&L: Brothership:

without nanite upgrades

So you want it handed to you basically. I took my C to an A pretty quickly by scavenging and earning nanites in under 20 hours, I have 3 S class multitools now, my ship from a C to an A in 30 hours and I own a dozen ships ranging from B - S and have 4 S class frigates in my freighter fleet.

[SoCaliber]

I just looked online at pictures with coordinates uploaded by other users. Then i traveled to the gun that i liked the most. took like 10 minutes to get my atlantid multitool

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3436071057

[Prescient Stones]

It's all RNG and best when it is the good kind.. And when you do finally get the drop. you share it and revisit it.

I was exploring a wkitty42 base and system,,.,
Below his base was a Monolith.

Around 6 minutes.
https://youtu.be/DfzssubqB3w

[Shadow Strider]

Sounds like whining to me... but just in case you somehow haven't learned how things work yet:
1-star economies have 0% chance for S class,
2-star economies have 1% chance,
3-star economies have 2% chance,
outlaw economies have 5% chance. (but also have 85% for C class, so you'll mostly find those)
There is no guarantee you will find an S class in a system that has the potential for one.

Each terminal has it's own dice roll, so even if there are 100 terminals in a given outlaw system, there is no guarantee that it will have a single S class terminal... Much as that would be unlikely, it is still possible with how chance functions.
If a given terminal gives an S class, then it will always give an S class.
I'm not certain if the design of an altantid MT is fixed for a given terminal, or if a save/reload will cycle through a selection of designs (this works for sentinel MTs iirc).

As others have stated, you could spend a fraction of the time wasted looking for a wild S class on earning the nanites to just upgrade one for yourself. Nanites are easy, there are many ways to earn them very quickly without cheating, and there are many threads on the topic if you want to learn how.

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by SoCaliber:

I just looked online at pictures with coordinates uploaded by other users. Then i traveled to the gun that i liked the most. took like 10 minutes to get my atlantid multitool

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3436071057

I recommend you expand your tech slots for that... I only see 2 SC slots, the other 2 should be in the next row (I've never seen one lower than the 4th row)

[SoCaliber]

Originally posted by Shadow Strider:

Originally posted by SoCaliber:

I just looked online at pictures with coordinates uploaded by other users. Then i traveled to the gun that i liked the most. took like 10 minutes to get my atlantid multitool

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3436071057

I recommend you expand your tech slots for that... I only see 2 SC slots, the other 2 should be in the next row (I've never seen one lower than the 4th row)

For some reason I never even wondered about the other 2 even tho i know all s class have 4 SC slots.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by CatPerson:

OP: with the hours you have in the game, I feel like you're just venting frustration. You should know how odds and how the "random" of "random number generation" works. Some game's RNG isn't very rough on the player. Other games the RNG can be very rough on the player (ever try getting a Zod rune in Diablo2 without cheats?).

Sometimes you get lucky and get what you want in 1-10 tries, and then maybe you'll never get that lucky again for months/years. Sometimes you get unlucky and won't get what you want in 200+ tries. And having the luck once doesn't mean you'll have the luck if you try again or that it's normal. Maybe, maybe not.

If it was ALWAYS this bad, I wouldn't have made this thread. It only took me like 10 tries to get an S class sentinel weapon. And I still see an exotic ship like every 30 minutes I spend in space stations/trade centers.

If you don't want to go the "make lots of nanites" and upgrade route, or use another player's coords etc, that's your choice. Nothing wrong with that choice, but it may (or may not) take a long time, so you need patience. Keep looking, happy hunting.

It's not that I refuse to make nanites, it's that S class upgrades are ludicrously expensive. I have like 100k right now, and I still want to unlock companion slots and build ships.

PS I'm still looking for my perfect shape/style of Interceptor. I don't even care about class tier, just the appearance. i've found two that are close but not what I know is possible. So I keep looking. I'ts been many many planets and maybe 700 hours played. Haven't got it yet. Sigh. :)

The thing is even though my current MT is ugly, I don't want to sacrifice stats. Atlantid is the best for mining. The staffs are just cosmetic, THOSE I don't care what class they are.

Originally posted by vanyell:

So you want it handed to you basically. [/quote]
That's not at all what I said. I was looking for hours.

Originally posted by SoCaliber:

I just looked online at pictures with coordinates uploaded by other users.

I already said I'm not doing this.

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by Batabii • M&L: Brothership:

Originally posted by CatPerson:

OP: with the hours you have in the game, I feel like you're just venting frustration. You should know how odds and how the "random" of "random number generation" works. Some game's RNG isn't very rough on the player. Other games the RNG can be very rough on the player (ever try getting a Zod rune in Diablo2 without cheats?).

Sometimes you get lucky and get what you want in 1-10 tries, and then maybe you'll never get that lucky again for months/years. Sometimes you get unlucky and won't get what you want in 200+ tries. And having the luck once doesn't mean you'll have the luck if you try again or that it's normal. Maybe, maybe not.

If it was ALWAYS this bad, I wouldn't have made this thread. It only took me like 10 tries to get an S class sentinel weapon. And I still see an exotic ship like every 30 minutes I spend in space stations/trade centers.

If you don't want to go the "make lots of nanites" and upgrade route, or use another player's coords etc, that's your choice. Nothing wrong with that choice, but it may (or may not) take a long time, so you need patience. Keep looking, happy hunting.

It's not that I refuse to make nanites, it's that S class upgrades are ludicrously expensive. I have like 100k right now, and I still want to unlock companion slots and build ships.

PS I'm still looking for my perfect shape/style of Interceptor. I don't even care about class tier, just the appearance. i've found two that are close but not what I know is possible. So I keep looking. I'ts been many many planets and maybe 700 hours played. Haven't got it yet. Sigh. :)

The thing is even though my current MT is ugly, I don't want to sacrifice stats. Atlantid is the best for mining. The staffs are just cosmetic, THOSE I don't care what class they are.

I already said I'm not doing this.

Just because you got lucky before doesn't mean anything has changed.

Atlas staff and sentinel MTs are also OP for mining as you can install a second core mining beam module and basically never overheat (same as with the atlantid). There is really no need to get an atlantid just for mining.

And again, learn how to earn yourself some nanites. I have well over a million in my main save, and I spend them on S class upgrades regularly.... You're just being lazy/inefficient.

Also, basically every system has an exotic ship. There is no such guarantee for S class MTs or crash sites.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

So the question remains: does it matter if I change systems?

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by Batabii • M&L: Brothership:

So the question remains: does it matter if I change systems?

depends on the economy of the current system, and on whether or not you've visited all the monoliths in it...
If you're in an outlaw system and there are still undiscovered monoliths, then you have exactly the same chance of any of those being S class as any in a new outlaw system.

[warpspawn]

It's random, you can find a S class Multitool with 4 SCS in a square in a failing backwater system,
If your going there to explore anyway, look around who knows what you'll find, Just don't think that a 3 Star system will automatically have an S class in every box.