Time Limitations Should Go Away

[AshTray900]

Im not sure how everyone feels but i think its tine for a change, started up a new game on my new ps5 and im presented with a world of stuff that will never be obtainable or just so impractical its not funny. no save exiting here.

1. i think expeditions should get added to a roster of ones you can play whenever you want, just select and start. the idea of it having to happen at a certain time is silly and there really isnt much community to the as you practically have to turn off multiplayer for them to not glitch up. no reason to turn off fun missions new players cant experience.

2. quicksilver missions should always be one of the respawning ones in thr nexus also. the idea you have to do them daily and wait for the big weekend one kinda sucks too

[tkwoods]

I think a sack of flour would make a mighty big biscuit...

Expeditions are not an anytime you like scenario, they require special addition to the game and they are completely optional. If you want a limited edition anything you need to do the required steps to get said thing.

Quick silver is supposed to be hard to get so there is a challenge factor to it.

I think you meant "save editing here", using the save editor to get limited edition items you didn't work for is lame and for losers. But no one made you get a PS5, so....

[MechWarden]

A world of stuff you will never obtain? Like what? The Expedition rewards? Never thought of those as being an entire world, but ok...?

For one, Expeditions are community level events that requires HG to look for and setup a string of systems for their narrative to run on. It is impractical to keep renewing those to be available constantly or to keep those events open indefinitely. That said they do re-run previous Expeditions to help alleviate FOMO, so don't get discouraged by seeing that list of locked out Expedition rewards.

Also Quicksilver (haha mercury, aka Hg) is supposed to be slow to get. It is to encourage people to do community missions. Be thankful that this 'premium' currency is literally free and the items locked behind it are just decorative stuff. You are still able to play the game just fine without them.

[liz]

Ursprungligen skrivet av tkwoods:

I think a sack of flour would make a mighty big biscuit...

Expeditions are not an anytime you like scenario, they require special addition to the game and they are completely optional. If you want a limited edition anything you need to do the required steps to get said thing.

Quick silver is supposed to be hard to get so there is a challenge factor to it.

I think you meant "save editing here", using the save editor to get limited edition items you didn't work for is lame and for losers. But no one made you get a PS5, so....

I always use save editing and mods to get expedition rewards because I'm the creative type. Yeah, it's lame, but I hate rendezvous missions and I'm extremely impatient. Expeditions aren't for everyone, but the rewards may be.

[Mr. Bufferlow]

Unlikely to happen. The Expeditions are designed to be limited fare. They almost always require some kind of special rules that don't apply to the normal game and the route has to be hand picked and the resources reviewed and updated to provide appropriate challenge.

Not to mention the clean up after it is over. They would be a nightmare of player crap if they just left them running 24/7. They get pretty trashed in the limited time the Expedition runs.

[AshTray900]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mr. Bufferlow:

Unlikely to happen. The Expeditions are designed to be limited fare. They almost always require some kind of special rules that don't apply to the normal game and the route has to be hand picked and the resources reviewed and updated to provide appropriate challenge.

Not to mention the clean up after it is over. They would be a nightmare of player crap if they just left them running 24/7. They get pretty trashed in the limited time the Expedition runs.

but what exactly do they have to clean up? bases hang around etc, i think its cherry picked from the start but then is left as is, i have all my xbox expedition saves and can visit all the bases and planets etc

[AshTray900]

Ursprungligen skrivet av tkwoods:

I think a sack of flour would make a mighty big biscuit...

Expeditions are not an anytime you like scenario, they require special addition to the game and they are completely optional. If you want a limited edition anything you need to do the required steps to get said thing.

Quick silver is supposed to be hard to get so there is a challenge factor to it.

I think you meant "save editing here", using the save editor to get limited edition items you didn't work for is lame and for losers. But no one made you get a PS5, so....

no reason to bash the save editor for creative use, also i did these all on xbox so who cares if i hacked the steam save, throwing comments in like that just makes you look like an ass.

plus you cant work for rewards on expeditions that are over anyways...

isnt this supposed to be an adult community?

[tkwoods]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AshTray900:

Ursprungligen skrivet av tkwoods:

I think a sack of flour would make a mighty big biscuit...

Expeditions are not an anytime you like scenario, they require special addition to the game and they are completely optional. If you want a limited edition anything you need to do the required steps to get said thing.

Quick silver is supposed to be hard to get so there is a challenge factor to it.

I think you meant "save editing here", using the save editor to get limited edition items you didn't work for is lame and for losers. But no one made you get a PS5, so....

no reason to bash the save editor for creative use, also i did these all on xbox so who cares if i hacked the steam save, throwing comments in like that just makes you look like an ass.

plus you cant work for rewards on expeditions that are over anyways...

isnt this supposed to be an adult community?

Well, yes it is supposed to be an adult community. Adults understand adult things like having to work for something makes it more rewarding once you attain it.

Reading and comprehension also go a long way. I did not say "using the save editor" is for losers. I said using it to get items you did not work for is. There is a difference.

[MechWarden]

Using the Save Editor to get rewards for things you haven't done is clearly cheating and not creative at all. It should be obvious that some people take offense to that. Sure, name calling isn't ideal, but what tkwoods said wasn't outright harassment or anything.

But for a game where it is single player focused, with multiplayer interactions, cheating here is less egregious than in a more multiplayer focused game where it will affect others a whole lot more. You won't get banned for it, but some people will give you mean looks for doing it.

[tkwoods]

Ursprungligen skrivet av MechWarden:

Using the Save Editor to get rewards for things you haven't done is clearly cheating and not creative at all. It should be obvious that some people take offense to that. Sure, name calling isn't ideal, but what tkwoods said wasn't outright harassment or anything.

But for a game where it is single player focused, with multiplayer interactions, cheating here is less egregious than in a more multiplayer focused game where it will affect others a whole lot more. You won't get banned for it, but some people will give you mean looks for doing it.

I use the editor for some things, even did a video tutorial on it some time back. Only thing I've done recently was move a ship I found from one save to another.

[Johnny in the Clouds]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AshTray900:

...the idea you have to do them daily and wait for the big weekend one kinda sucks too

It's not always possible to make time during the working week to play the daily quick silver missions. The weekend splurge is ideal and it's value of Quicksilver was greatly increased a few updates back, to compensate similar players for many reasons that also can not play the game regularly to collect Quicksilver. That was a good move by Hello Games at the time responding to players wanting that to be a thing.

Also from time to time Twitch Drops released by Hello Games have included several repeated quicksilver items from the lists. The Expeditions themselves have also been repeated usually near the end of the year which is great if you can't always complete those at the time.

A new expedition always brings something new and creative. So the game rewards and the anticipation for collecting something exciting remains fresh. The developers have something of interest and worthwhile designing and the players benefit too.

[roomtemp]

I agree with the OP. It's great they're still adding things to the game. Yet they're really not adding to the game unless you can play on their timeline. It would be much better if they just put the expeditions in a list so people could play them when they want. That way every expedition is adding to the depth of the base game instead of the 'here today, gone tomorrow' approach. Lots of people are still going to play the latest expedition when it's new anyway.

Repeated FOMO events are a psychologically manipulative way to pad engagement that I find personally distasteful. For me they have opposite the intended effect. It makes me want to play less not more.

[MechWarden]

I've used the save editor to fix a terrible bug or two on my save file way back when. It is really handy when something goes wrong and it is going to be awhile before a fix is made. It was also neat to see what's under the hood of the game. It is a good tool, and I would not want it to just be banned.

That said, I really don't use it. If I wanted a given ship, multi tool, etc, I'd use the Portal network to grab a copy. If I don't know the source of where I got it, meh, I'm not that picky about ship stats, given max upgraded stuff makes you very over powered regardless of what your S-class base stats were. (also the library of places where you can find top end things is more than good enough to make up for it)

From my point of view, cheating in a single player game is best used as the last end-game thing you do before putting it down for good. It squeezes out the last bit of fun by spoiling you with a heck of a power trip as you plow through all the barriers you had trouble with in the past. Playing it any further after that point wrecks the core gameplay and eventually becomes dull and pointless.

So as you can imagine, I'm not too impressed when I see someone cheats early and on the regular, as they are more than likely cheating themselves by wrecking the effort-reward mechanic. I ran into someone years ago that cheated an Exotic ship to have as many slots as a transport ship and it just made me disappointed in them and not want to be around them. One, they cheated, and two, what the heck could I even offer, besides being their plaything?

[MechWarden]

Ursprungligen skrivet av roomtemp:

I agree with the OP. It's great they're still adding things to the game. Yet they're really not adding to the game unless you can play on their timeline. It would be much better if they just put the expeditions in a list so people could play them when they want. That way every expedition is adding to the depth of the base game instead of the 'here today, gone tomorrow' approach. Lots of people are still going to play the latest expedition when it's new anyway.

Repeated FOMO events are a psychologically manipulative way to pad engagement that I find personally distasteful. For me they have opposite the intended effect. It makes me want to play less not more.

If it was really done in bad faith, they would never repeat past Expeditions, and just make more content to increase the FOMO. It has been said before that it is not practical to just have it going all the time.

It is a seasonal thing, and they have this things not be some insulting flash event. They have it last for weeks or a couple months at a time, allow most anyone that actively plays, even those with a job, have access to it. The Expeditions aren't even that long or involved, and have gotten better at not being tedious; even though people still complain about it being too simple and basic.

If you really want to see games that mess with people's FOMO, you really need to see Fortnite and other free to play games that shoves out content and limited fad cosmetics on the regular. NMS is nowhere near comparable to those kind of games. And if one is really put off by it the mild-sauce 'FOMO manipulation', they can still cheat them in (which isn't an option in those manipulative games), and no one would be the wiser unless they admitted it.

[AshTray900]

Ursprungligen skrivet av roomtemp:

I agree with the OP. It's great they're still adding things to the game. Yet they're really not adding to the game unless you can play on their timeline. It would be much better if they just put the expeditions in a list so people could play them when they want. That way every expedition is adding to the depth of the base game instead of the 'here today, gone tomorrow' approach. Lots of people are still going to play the latest expedition when it's new anyway.

Repeated FOMO events are a psychologically manipulative way to pad engagement that I find personally distasteful. For me they have opposite the intended effect. It makes me want to play less not more.

i always felt that they did it to do that also, i liked some of the expeditions and would easily play them over on another platform. seems like they want people coming online all the time. i do end up with other things to do and forget the game for months sometimes and im kind of screwed on some nice things. this is where save editor came in handy on steam.

im not sure shy so many people feel entitled to their stuff because they put in "work" for it, i am not competing with anyone, its a sandbox game, not sure where the desire to prevent others from being able to keep up, i dont care about anyone having something on this game. after all its a game, not like someone cheated me out of a promotion or the other way around.

i dont get why i rattled some cages by suggesting things be available not time constrained, i want to be aboe to do the stuff, not cheat but im prevented from it late to the game on ps5, the quicksilver store has so much that it would costs hundreds of thousands to get it all (not a real count but the idea is its massive) and i cant complete long gone expeditions.

i dont really buy the fact that keeping an expedition online effects anything at all with the game as all of my xbox ones are still playable as normals now, all items can still be gotten and the tech is still unlocked. if HG is saying its impractical i kinda have to call BS but thats speculation.

[tkwoods]

What about all the stuff added to the game that isn't cosmetic stuff?

Reading some of these comments I have to wonder if some here actually have played the game.