Trident Keys?

[ICountFrom0]

You get one from the ruins, but there's 3 chests.

So you always need 2 more keys then exist at a given ruin.

Is there anywhere else to get them, or will you always be behind?

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by Ozwald:

The Ancient Keys? You need three for each site & I've never seen a site with less than 4 or 5.

He's talking about Trident keys, which are for the underwater version of those ruins, called "Submerged Ruins". They give you 1 key per ruin, when you interact with the Refracted Light, but also always have 3 "Sealed Sea Chests", each of which requires a Trident Key to open.

Originally posted by ICountFrom0:

You get one from the ruins, but there's 3 chests.

So you always need 2 more keys then exist at a given ruin.

Is there anywhere else to get them, or will you always be behind?

You'll always be behind. It's kind of a dumb design imo. I modded my game so that interaction with the light gives 3 keys, which just makes more sense. I would have modded it to remove 2 of the 3 chests, but adding more keys was a helluva lot simpler.

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by Ozwald:

Oh is this some expedition thing?

No, it's in the normal game. The nautilon can even scan for them.

Several different expeditions have utilized them though, as a milestone target, but they are there and function in a regular non-expedition game. They were added to the game in the Abyss update, back in 2018, predating the first expedition by 3 years.

[ICountFrom0]

I've been toying with features, and yha, discovered the nautalon can find sea ruins...

oh well.