Checking if the Atlantid MT info I'm finding is still up to date.

[Emerald Unicorn]

From what I can read you can go around on the same planet and get different classes of the MT. And then reloading just refreshes the appearance but the class stays pre-determined by the monolith.

But I've been in an outlaw controlled system and have checked 10-15 monoliths and they've all been Class C. Is that info outdated? Or is my luck just absolutely terrible?

I have tons of nanites... is there really any downside to brute forcing the class vs finding one naturally? I'm a bit hesitant because I've noticed that upgrading a Sentinel ship from A to S has actually made the stats worse.

[Shadow Strider]

If the chances for MT class are the same as with ships (I cant seem to find info on this on the wiki...) then an outlaw system would have an 85% chance for C class, and 5% each for B, A, and S class... If this is accurate, then the results you've noted are well within the norm...

For MTs, upgrading the class will always result in a better MT (at least as far as I'm aware)
With ships, they are generally better, however the range of stats for some ship types can have some overlap between classes, which means it can be possible to downgrade certain stats if a high end A class upgrades to a low end S class...

You can always set your restore point save, then upgrade the MT/ship to compare the stats. If it's worse, just reload...

[Emerald Unicorn]

Originally posted by Shadow Strider:

If the chances for MT class are the same as with ships (I cant seem to find info on this on the wiki...) then an outlaw system would have an 85% chance for C class, and 5% each for B, A, and S class... If this is accurate, then the results you've noted are well within the norm...

Well, assuming I've remembered my statistics math correctly, then that would make the odds of finding 10x class C in a row only about a 20% chance lol. But I feel like I'm forgetting some statistics term for comparing two types of chances.

I just didn't have this issue when farming Sentinel weapons and ships, or exotics, or an S class freighter. Took me a while to find the S class I was looking for, but I at least saw several A and B classes while looking. Just feels like only seeing C class is starting to defy the odds more, which is why I was wondering lol.

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by Emerald Unicorn:

Originally posted by Shadow Strider:

If the chances for MT class are the same as with ships (I cant seem to find info on this on the wiki...) then an outlaw system would have an 85% chance for C class, and 5% each for B, A, and S class... If this is accurate, then the results you've noted are well within the norm...

Well, assuming I've remembered my statistics math correctly, then that would make the odds of finding 10x class C in a row only about a 20% chance lol. But I feel like I'm forgetting some statistics term for comparing two types of chances.

I just didn't have this issue when farming Sentinel weapons and ships, or exotics, or an S class freighter. Took me a while to find the S class I was looking for, but I at least saw several A and B classes while looking. Just feels like only seeing C class is starting to defy the odds more, which is why I was wondering lol.

you have a 17/20 chance to find C class... so it's not that unusual to get 10-15 in a row...
Edit, yes, 10 in a row is ~20% odds, but that's not that unusual...
Also, are you certain that they have all been different monoliths?

[Emerald Unicorn]

Yeah, any given one being a C class is a high chance, but there's a statistical thing about getting the same result over and over again. Like rolling a D6. You have the same odds of getting all numbers, 1-6, a 16.67% chance. But the odds of rolling any given one twice in a row is a 2.78% chance. Which is why getting an 85% chance one 20+ times in a row becomes .85^20 which is a 3.876% chance. Very low.

However, I think I have found that the old advice is still true. After about 20-25 I did find a B class one... So they can be different on the same planet like ships and stuff can be. I'll probably settle for A and just upgrade it at this point.

[Emerald Unicorn]

Originally posted by Shadow Strider:

Also, are you certain that they have all been different monoliths?

I assume so, because I have to put in the Atlantid crystal stuff and get the 3 words scattered around at each one.

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by Emerald Unicorn:

Originally posted by Shadow Strider:

Also, are you certain that they have all been different monoliths?

I assume so, because I have to put in the Atlantid crystal stuff and get the 3 words scattered around at each one.

Well, could just be poor luck.
Last time I got my S class dreadnought it took several hours of reloads, and I think I only saw 2 or 3 that weren't C class.... It took roughly 2-3 mins per attempt including loading and warp times, so you can imagine how many C class dreadnoughts I rolled...

[Jaggid Edje]

There's only a single set of variables which controls the probability for each class of Freighters, ships and multi-tools, yep. That means outlaw systems are 85% class C, for all of them.

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by Emerald Unicorn:

Well, assuming I've remembered my statistics math correctly, then that would make the odds of finding 10x class C in a row only about a 20% chance lol. But I feel like I'm forgetting some statistics term for comparing two types of chances.

You remembered your statistics correctly, that is correct. On the other hand, what you found on the last one, or the one before it, or the one before that, doesn't change the probability of the next one. So every time you find another one, it's still an 85% probability that it will be C-class if you're in an outlaw system, regardless of the fact that the probability of getting 10 C in a row is only 20%.

If you get 19 C in a row, the odds of that happening is only 4.6%, but you still are 85% likely to get a C-class on the next one too... i.e. the probability of one event does not alter the probability of the other.

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:

There's only a single set of variables which controls the probability for each class of Freighters, ships and multi-tools, yep. That means outlaw systems are 85% class C, for all of them.

Thanks for confirming, I thought so, but wasn't 100% on it

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by Shadow Strider:

Thanks for confirming, I thought so, but wasn't 100% on it

It's one of those things that I wish wasn't the case. I'd love to be able to mod probabilities at a much more granular level. But it's just not coded that way. :-(

[Foxglovez]

The % is always the same which is why the house always wins. It's not like a fight with your spouse. It's not keeping track and adding to the potential over time. (Lay"men"s terms for the not so math oriented).
Sorry, couldn't resist.