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Question about multi-tool
i got a A class which deal 2.5k dmg but just found my first S class with the same amount of unlocked slot but like 500 damage...

Would the S-class be an upgrade or only the dmg and scanner range matter?
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mystikmind2005 Nov 11, 2024 @ 6:15pm 
The positioning of the supercharged slots is the main thing that distinguishes good and less good multitools. So basically a C class upgraded to S class that has 3 supercharged slots together will be WAY better than the natural S class that does not. Then you can put all your weapon tech on supercharged slots, and instead of 2.5K you will be closer to 10k damage output.

Eventually, with very good tech and a sentinal multitool like what i have, you will be on 24k damage output.
gillham Nov 11, 2024 @ 7:41pm 
Your multi tool might have more weapons & upgrades installed so it has a higher number now. You would need to move the same upgrades over to the S to get a comparable number.

And has mystikmind2005 said above the supercharged slot arrangement can make a difference. Of course the S doesn’t need 50,000 nanites to upgrade like your A class does.

Nothing prevents you from having both and trying them out with the same modules. (Just store them and reinstall after switching multi tools). You can have 6 multi tools.

I sure hope they eventually provide an armory room for the freighter that lets me store a bunch of multi tools.
Shadow Strider Nov 11, 2024 @ 9:42pm 
depends on the type of multi-tool,
some have a dmg bonus (e.g. rifle/sentinel), some have scanning bonus (e.g. royal), and some have mining bonus (e.g. pistol/atlantid)...

Whether or not a given MT is an upgrade depends on what you want its primary use to be...
Last edited by Shadow Strider; Nov 11, 2024 @ 9:45pm
Jaggid Edje Nov 12, 2024 @ 1:30am 
Definitely compare them side-to-side with exactly the same technologies installed. The damage number shown is calculated based on what is installed on the multi-tool so comparing multi-tools with different installations is pointless.

Also worth noting that for multi-tools, an A-class is never better than an S-class in terms of base stats, unless of course they are entirely different types of multi-tools. Unlike some starships there is no overlap in the bonus values that different classes of multi-tools might have, which makes a higher class always better within any given multi-tool type.

It's also worth mentioning that the first reply above is not entirely accurate. Adjacency bonuses are the least impactful bonus on a multi-tool if you're going for damage. Both the inherent bonus damage of a multi-tool and just the supercharge slots themselves have a greater impact on damage output then the adjacency bonus provided by a "good" supercharge slot layout.

Thought that was worth mentioning, because if you find a multi-tool with a great damage bonus but poor supercharge layout, you're still better off keeping it vs. a multi-tool at the low end of damage bonus but great supercharge layout.
mystikmind2005 Nov 12, 2024 @ 2:48am 
Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:
It's also worth mentioning that the first reply above is not entirely accurate. Adjacency bonuses are the least impactful bonus on a multi-tool if you're going for damage. Both the inherent bonus damage of a multi-tool and just the supercharge slots themselves have a greater impact on damage output then the adjacency bonus provided by a "good" supercharge slot layout.

Thought that was worth mentioning, because if you find a multi-tool with a great damage bonus but poor supercharge layout, you're still better off keeping it vs. a multi-tool at the low end of damage bonus but great supercharge layout.

I have literally never seen that scenario play out in the same multitool category, IE, sentinal vs sentinal multitool.

But i have seen it happen with a different category of multitool IE an Atlantid multitool with great supercharged layout i found was way worse than a sentinal multitool with poor supercharged slot layout.
Jaggid Edje Nov 12, 2024 @ 2:53am 
Originally posted by mystikmind2005:

I have literally never seen that scenario play out in the same multitool category, IE, sentinal vs sentinal multitool.

But i have seen it happen with a different category of multitool IE an Atlantid multitool with great supercharged layout i found was way worse than a sentinel multitool with poor supercharged slot layout.
The range of possible damage bonuses on sentinel multi-tools is 25% to 50%. Adjacency bonuses are not even close to a 25% boost.

I'd say the only reason you've never seen that scenario is because your sample size is very small. That's why anecdotal evidence is pretty much never something to rely on. It pays to make sure you're determining how good the bonuses on a tool are before you just jump on it because it has a decent supercharge slot layout.
mystikmind2005 Nov 12, 2024 @ 3:03am 
Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:
Originally posted by mystikmind2005:

I have literally never seen that scenario play out in the same multitool category, IE, sentinal vs sentinal multitool.

But i have seen it happen with a different category of multitool IE an Atlantid multitool with great supercharged layout i found was way worse than a sentinel multitool with poor supercharged slot layout.
The range of possible damage bonuses on sentinel multi-tools is 25% to 50%. Adjacency bonuses are not even close to a 25% boost.

I'd say the only reason you've never seen that scenario is because your sample size is very small. That's why anecdotal evidence is pretty much never something to rely on. It pays to make sure you're determining how good the bonuses on a tool are before you just jump on it because it has a decent supercharge slot layout.

Oh yes, its definitely worth checking.... i always write down the damage output of the old multitool before loading its gear on the new multitool
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3364527600


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3364527523

Both have supercharged weapon and no damage mod even the scanner range is better on the A-Rank so im confused
Last edited by ¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨; Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:13am
Shadow Strider Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:12am 
Originally posted by ¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3364527600


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3364527523

Both have supercharged weapon and no damage mod

First one is a royal (scanning bonus) with a supercharged boltcaster...

second one is a sentinel rifle (damage bonus) with no weapon installed (or a broken weapon module)
Last edited by Shadow Strider; Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:16am
Jaggid Edje Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:14am 
The first one is a Royal Multi-tool, the 2nd is a sentinel multi-tool. Royal multi-tools are arse for combat even if they have the best bonus they can. The maximum damage bonus on an A-class Royal is only 15%. Compared to 50% for the S-class sentinel.

The reason it has a much higher damage value showing is because you have all those mining beam technology upgrades and a boltcaster installed on it. You have nothing extra installed on the Sentinel one. That damage value that is displayed factors in what is installed, as was said in the thread already.

When comparing multi-tools, strip out all technology other than the base mining beam itself. In this case though that's not necessary because they aren't even the same type. No matter what the S-class Sentinel one is going to be better, for combat.
Last edited by Jaggid Edje; Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:17am
Originally posted by Shadow Strider:
Originally posted by ¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3364527600
That's a royal type MT... it gets a bonus to Scanning
If damage is what you're after, then get a rifle/sentinel/staff MT...

right now i have 20 hours in the game so i am just using what i get best... But i dont want to waste my storage expansion slot...

So i should use that S-class for now and invest my storage slot on it?
Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:
The first one is a Royal Multi-tool, the 2nd is a sentinel multi-tool. Royal multi-tools are arse for combat even if they have the best bonus they can. The maximum damage bonus on an A-class Royal is only 15%. Compared to 50% for the S-class sentinel.

The reason it has a much higher damage value showing is because you have all those mining beam technology upgrades and a boltcaster installed on it. You have nothing extra installed on the Sentinel one. That damage value factors in what is installed, as was said in the thread already.

so the mining module also boost dmg? i see

i guess im just going to invest in the sentinel s-class then
Last edited by ¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨; Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:17am
Shadow Strider Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:18am 
Originally posted by ¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨:
Originally posted by Shadow Strider:
That's a royal type MT... it gets a bonus to Scanning
If damage is what you're after, then get a rifle/sentinel/staff MT...

right now i have 20 hours in the game so i am just using what i get best... But i dont want to waste my storage expansion slot...

So i should use that S-class for now and invest my storage slot on it?
The sentinel rifle is way better for combat than the royal one. you just have to install a weapon on it... (you can and should move the existing modules around to make better use of the SC slots too)
It will have a 4th SC slot that you will have to use an expansion module to unlock too... it might be in the 4th row, but I've never seen one lower than that.

And yes, the mining module can be used as a weapon if needed, but I find it pretty poor for this purpose, better to install an actual weapon...
Last edited by Shadow Strider; Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:23am
Originally posted by Shadow Strider:
Originally posted by ¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨:

right now i have 20 hours in the game so i am just using what i get best... But i dont want to waste my storage expansion slot...

So i should use that S-class for now and invest my storage slot on it?
The sentinel rifle is way better for combat than the royal one. you just have to install a weapon on it... (you can and should move the existing modules around to make better use of the SC slots too)
It will have a 4th SC slot that you will have to use an expansion module to unlock too... it might be in the 4th row, but I've never seen one lower than that.

And yes, the mining module can be used as a weapon if needed, but I find it pretty poor for this purpose, better to install an actual weapon...

Ima switch to the s-class and invest on it for now...

Thanks everyone :steamhappy:
mystikmind2005 Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:34am 
Yea, that sentinal tool you have is a great find, and well worth investing on.

Just imagine if the B2 slot was a supercharged, it could be your best tool for the life of your game! Even if not, its likely to be a long time before you find a better one.

You could keep the royal, and specialize it as a scanner, that's what i did.
Last edited by mystikmind2005; Nov 12, 2024 @ 4:35am
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