Gas Giant Planets

[ilovehorrorcats]

It would be cool if there are gas planets where you can fly but can't land since there is no surface.

Edit: I have an idea how HG can implement it. They can add new a stellar class that has 2 gas giants and four moons for each system.

[UNBREAKABLE]

Originally posted by theicewind:

Originally posted by UNBREAKABLE:

The game literally takes place in a failing computer simulation. What immersion? This isn't Elite Dangerous.

Ummm if it's computer similation it can't be immersive?.

We don't have computer glitches in real and the game is constantly reminding you that nothing is real, so it's kind of hard to imagine.

[1P27]

Originally posted by theicewind:

Originally posted by Mr. Bufferlow:

I get a kick out the "realism" discussion. Yeah...this game is so based on realism.

Be careful what you wish for...a new update with the Gek Accountant and Tax Collector is in the wings. Having to file your Atlas 1640 and avoid the Vy'keen tax auditors will make it get really real.

it's not about realism, it's about immersion and variety. And sorry, but making yet another solid ground planet but much bigger isn't higher variety than making actual gas giants.
I remember a few years ago I made a post here suggesting to make the planets bigger, it was critisized to oblivion. Like "this is stupid" "why would anybody want that" "planets are already big enough, we need variable biomes instead" and so on.

Hey at least we actually got Gas Giants in one form or another this has been something that we didn't really need but Sean still gave it to us anyways and let's be honest if the gas giants didn't have a surface it would be a glorified space storm yk those things that you see every once and a while

[theicewind]

Originally posted by 1P27:

Originally posted by theicewind:

it's not about realism, it's about immersion and variety. And sorry, but making yet another solid ground planet but much bigger isn't higher variety than making actual gas giants.
I remember a few years ago I made a post here suggesting to make the planets bigger, it was critisized to oblivion. Like "this is stupid" "why would anybody want that" "planets are already big enough, we need variable biomes instead" and so on.

Hey at least we actually got Gas Giants in one form or another this has been something that we didn't really need but Sean still gave it to us anyways and let's be honest if the gas giants didn't have a surface it would be a glorified space storm yk those things that you see every once and a while

don't speak for the whole community like 99.9% didn't really need it. Lots of people have been asking for them. And calling them gas giants and not actually making them gas giants is just... I don't even know what to call this.

[Lystent]

Originally posted by UNBREAKABLE:

Originally posted by theicewind:

it's not about realism, it's about immersion and variety. And sorry, but making yet another solid ground planet but much bigger isn't higher variety than making actual gas giants.
I remember a few years ago I made a post here suggesting to make the planets bigger, it was critisized to oblivion. Like "this is stupid" "why would anybody want that" "planets are already big enough, we need variable biomes instead" and so on.

The game literally takes place in a failing computer simulation. What immersion?

As much as the plot irks me, I suspect it may just be the devs working with the various limitations they have before them.

As for the realism debate, I think the optical solvent cleared the image up pretty well for me!

Edit: and for those wanting realistic gas planets: I don't think it'll be favorable; with the speed reduction for planetary flight, you'd spend a lot of time flying just to inevitably get slower, and slower before you get stuck before even reaching anything that is 100% solid, assuming that your ship would be allowed to withstand the various challenges to its structural integrity that the environment would have to offer.

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by Lystent:

Originally posted by UNBREAKABLE:

The game literally takes place in a failing computer simulation. What immersion?

As much as the plot irks me, I suspect it may just be the devs working with the various limitations they have before them.

As for the realism debate, I think the optical solvent cleared the image up pretty well for me!

Edit: and for those wanting realistic gas planets: I don't think it'll be favorable; with the speed reduction for planetary flight, you'd spend a lot of time flying just to inevitably get slower, and slower before you get stuck before even reaching anything that is 100% solid, assuming that your ship would be allowed to withstand the various challenges to its structural integrity that the environment would have to offer.

Yup, realistic gas giants would be exceedingly boring to explore... here, have a cloudy screen saver to look at while your ship gets slowly crushed into oblivion

[Manuches]

Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:

Originally posted by Manuches:

I dunno, if they have a surface, the gas giant is a huge disappointment. Gas giants have no surface and when you get to a rocky core you would never survive the pressure. You couldnt even survive the pressure half way down, the pressures are incredible.

I think it would of been cooler to make 'air balloon' type bases, some type of glider, sort of a living in the clouds scenario. They could still have seperate biomes since the materials move around.

Dunno expected something different, not just a bigger rocky planet with weather effects.

Gas giants have a core, with a surface. They aren't just 100% gas.

Literally not how gas giants work. The pressure at the core is extreme, they also now believe that the core of Jupiter is a slush of rock and super fluids. You could never 'land' on the core, its beyond hot and the pressure is extreme. Keep telling yourself otherwise but you're rwrong.

Anyways, I was pretty stoked got Gas Giants even if I could just skim the top layers and if you went down to far it would crush your ship. Basically its just another standard planet.

[Lystent]

Originally posted by Manuches:

Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:

Gas giants have a core, with a surface. They aren't just 100% gas.

Literally not how gas giants work. The pressure at the core is extreme, they also now believe that the core of Jupiter is a slush of rock and super fluids. You could never 'land' on the core, its beyond hot and the pressure is extreme. Keep telling yourself otherwise but you're rwrong.

Anyways, I was pretty stoked got Gas Giants even if I could just skim the top layers and if you went down to far it would crush your ship. Basically its just another standard planet.

Even the gasses would "harden" up with the pressures involved. I'm looking at Venus as a reference, which is very close to earth-size (both mass and volume), but with a significant amount more atmosphere. The pressure there has carbon dioxide (Known as "dry ice" when frozen) practically trying to emulate an actual liquid. Moving on to Jupiter, and you get more than 2.5 times more gravity and enough atmospheric depth to fit the whole diameter of Venus a few times over. Even Neptune, one of the smaller two giants in our system, offers more gravity (albeit quite close to that of Venus, IMO) and a large enough radius to fit the diameter of Venus with plenty of room to spare.

[Shadow Strider]

Originally posted by Lystent:

Originally posted by Manuches:

Literally not how gas giants work. The pressure at the core is extreme, they also now believe that the core of Jupiter is a slush of rock and super fluids. You could never 'land' on the core, its beyond hot and the pressure is extreme. Keep telling yourself otherwise but you're rwrong.

Anyways, I was pretty stoked got Gas Giants even if I could just skim the top layers and if you went down to far it would crush your ship. Basically its just another standard planet.

Even the gasses would "harden" up with the pressures involved. I'm looking at Venus as a reference, which is very close to earth-size (both mass and volume), but with a significant amount more atmosphere. The pressure there has carbon dioxide (Known as "dry ice" when frozen) practically trying to emulate an actual liquid. Moving on to Jupiter, and you get more than 2.5 times more gravity and enough atmospheric depth to fit the whole diameter of Venus a few times over. Even Neptune, one of the smaller two giants in our system, offers more gravity (albeit quite close to that of Venus, IMO) and a large enough radius to fit the diameter of Venus with plenty of room to spare.

Venus is not a gas giant...
The gases in a gas giant do not turn to solids under pressure... they turn into supercritical fluids (a state kinda between gas and liquid)
Gas giants are believed to have solid cores, but they are tiny relative to their overall size, and surrounded buy supercritical fluids under immense pressures

[1P27]

We are in a glitchy simulation as the Atlas flies into a black hole set like 2 billion years in the future the ATLAS obviously screws up time to time e.g: The Travellers so nothing has to make sense in Loop16 because everything is breaking down and let's be honest a giant space cloud that kills you is the most boring thing I have ever heard on earth (yes I am contradicting myself from months ago) and with my own experiences Gas Giants are actually really hard to find it's moons due to its shear size so at that point everyone would just avoid them

[Lystent]

Originally posted by Shadow Strider:

Originally posted by Lystent:

Even the gasses would "harden" up with the pressures involved. I'm looking at Venus as a reference, which is very close to earth-size (both mass and volume), but with a significant amount more atmosphere. The pressure there has carbon dioxide (Known as "dry ice" when frozen) practically trying to emulate an actual liquid. Moving on to Jupiter, and you get more than 2.5 times more gravity and enough atmospheric depth to fit the whole diameter of Venus a few times over. Even Neptune, one of the smaller two giants in our system, offers more gravity (albeit quite close to that of Venus, IMO) and a large enough radius to fit the diameter of Venus with plenty of room to spare.

Venus is not a gas giant...
The gases in a gas giant do not turn to solids under pressure... they turn into supercritical fluids (a state kinda between gas and liquid)
Gas giants are believed to have solid cores, but they are tiny relative to their overall size, and surrounded buy supercritical fluids under immense pressures

I brought up Venus because the conditions there are not nearly as intense (because of reasons related to how it isn't a gas planet), but CO2 is still able to go into in said state there anyways. Basically, if this all happens with what little Venus has to offer, I suspect conditions on Jupiter, or even Neptune, could be magnitudes worse.

[Lindy Bomber]

Yes, the "gas giants" in the purple systems are closer to a giant Venus. Give. How the game engine works that is probably the best they could do without thrown an absurd amount of time and money at the problem.

[ZombieHunter]

Try to build a base on one. The weather effects and little tornadoes spawn inside of your base.

[Lystent]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

Try to build a base on one. The weather effects and little tornadoes spawn inside of your base.

My default settlement is (perhaps 'was' may be the operative term, depending on how things changed*) situated on an extreme weather toxic planet topped with aggressive sentinels. Every time a storm started, I would duck into a building. Not because of the hazard protection drain, but because of the insane tornado spawn rate. I would still get picked up and thrown around for a hot minute from inside the building, but no fall damage or angry sentinels.

*I haven't visited that cursed place in years...

[Typha]

Originally posted by Spoodie Bob:

Originally posted by ilovehorrorcats:

It would be cool if there are gas planets where you can fly but can't land since there is no surface.

you need to do your research, all gas planets have a solid rocky surface with very thick atmospheres made up of various gasses.

Research says that this is true very DEEP in the planet, and there's certainly no way to land a ship on them and walk around. It's not that different than trying to walk around inside a star.

35,000 Celsius at the rocky core of Jupiter. The core of the sun is only 27,000 Celsius, meaning gas giants are hotter than the sun at their core.

100 MILLION times the atmospheric pressure of Earth.