Portal Glyphs - Too much RNG

[icepurple]

I have a few saves where I have attempted to skip awakening quests, and went on discovering portal glyphs by Traveler encounters.

On the current new save (Utopia converted into normal), I did happen to find one traveler out of 2 star system early on, for the first 5-6 glyph, and that was encouraging. All the while scouting Space stations, Trade posts, Archives and so on for each star system visited to increase the odds of finding travelers...

Well, guess what? On the current new save, I'm now stuck at 10 glyphs, 65 hours of gameplay and haven't found another traveler in hours. I mean, this tells me clearly tow things. There is too much RNG to have access to portals and time consumption without awakening quest.

What do you think?

[Dirak2012]

I think that the game expects you to do the main quest...

[Azure Fang]

You've made the conscious decision not to complete the Artemis Path storyline, knowing that it will give you all of the glyphs in a short order of time, among other rewards. You've made the conscious decision to go the more time consuming route, knowing that finding systems with easily accessible travellers is up to chance.

RNG is not a factor here. You made these decisions, and you can always decide to complete the Artemis Path storyline.

[icepurple]

Originally posted by Dirak2012:

I think that the game expects you to do the main quest...

Yeah, that's what I ended up doing, eventually, in all the 3 saves. Resume Awakening Quest. But "all roads should lead to Rome" in a Sandbox game, or at least in NMS, as it has always been so. Except this.

There should be an alternative mean to get early access to portals without the MAIN QUEST, in a resonable time-frame. I'm already running out of things to do, and still have not collected all the glyphs.
So the issue is not small thing considering that there are 250 galaxies out there that I will never visit, also due to this fact.

[Krash Megiddo]

Many of the expeditions give you all 16 glyphs as a reward. Not so with E9 so I swallowed my pride and played out the Artemis quest again to "The Purge". That took a couple of hours, but its done. It is so boring I wanted to pull my hair out. Save Editor is another option if I have to ever do that again.

[Liralen]

Originally posted by icepurple:

I have a few saves where I have attempted to skip awakening quests, and went on discovering portal glyphs by Traveler encounters.

On the current new save (Utopia converted into normal), I did happen to find one traveler out of 2 star system early on, for the first 5-6 glyph, and that was encouraging. All the while scouting Space stations, Trade posts, Archives and so on for each star system visited to increase the odds of finding travelers...

Well, guess what? On the current new save, I'm now stuck at 10 glyphs, 65 hours of gameplay and haven't found another traveler in hours. I mean, this tells me clearly tow things. There is too much RNG to have access to portals and time consumption without awakening quest.

What do you think?

I think that scouting space stations would have been faster than scouting on planets for trading posts and archives. And that by heading towards the center of the galaxy, visiting each space station on each warp would have yielded more travelers and positioned you to get to another galaxy https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy_Centre#:~:text=The%20next%20permanent%20option%20is,base%20in%20a%20new%20galaxy.

There are other ways to get to a new galaxy in the above link, like visiting a featured base in the Anomaly. I disagree with their fourth option "The semi-permanent option, which is prone to bugs and problems, is to play with a friend in another galaxy. Due to incompatibility problems with the station teleport system, this is discouraged."

Visit a space station or build a base in the new galaxy (the latter is the most reliable). The amount of space stations displayed in your teleport list is limited and can disappear unless you visit it often. I've never had my bases disappear from my teleport list, but then again, I only have 10 bases so don't know if they are limited too.

Edited Note: My disagreement with the fourth option is that I have gained access to other galaxies by joining a friend in that galaxy. I just make sure to preserve access to by building a base there.

[Mandrake]

There will be Travelers more often in the space stations than any other location. I think I've only ever seen one at an Archive once otherwise, and of vourse on my Freighter on occasion when I am in an empty system - but I've never been able to interact with that one.
I've never failed to find all of them I need to get all of the glyphs. I just pick a day I've decided I want them on that save, craft up a ton of warp cores, and start a bee-line towards the core. I don't skip any particular type of system - I just keep warping, landing on the station, check for Traveler, move on. :)
Also, why would you never visit all of the galaxies?
I have a spreadsheet I made, with glyphs to 'hop-off' systems at the core of each galaxy to the next for all 255 normal, reachable galaxies.
I recorded all of those glyphs, from making a 'run to the end of the universe' over a few weekends of just warping from core, through core, through core. Making a small base at each stop. Now I go back and explore them at random :)
Here's a link to the spreadsheet and the glyph font to make it easy to read:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_tbo2GuaGcTVOQ_gE_GutdGLhiAkyqrC?usp=sharing

[icepurple]

Originally posted by Mandrake:

Also, why would you never visit all of the galaxies?

I'm trying to, but the Portal access in the game is for me the main limitation. In the past 3 new saves I had, each is based on a single different galaxy, for the most part.

If I did not have to go trough Awakening Quest for each new save, I'd probably had visited more galaxies, by now.

And yes, I'm aware that on ST there are better chances of finding travelers. And yet, I'm still stuck at 10 glyphs, and just visited another 3 new systems. Yet again trade posts, random settlements, but none to be seen. Scouting star systems in search of travelers to access portals sooner, should be a SHORTCUT, or alternative mean to the main quest, but it does not happen to be so.

Also, why do we have to always start on Euclid?
Waypoint, imo, was the most important update to NMS in recent times. Finally, we can tailor our journey to our likings thanks to it. Imo HG should double down into it, and considering what has been told into this conversation thus far.

For example, having a choice for the starting galaxy in the setting would be another QOL addition.
Back to the portals, or better to say, glyphs. It could be as simple as adding some Missions to the nexus which rewards a glyph. Another one, for example, once you reach rank 9 with an aline race, you get access to all glyphs. Possibilities are endless.

[Liralen]

Originally posted by icepurple:

Originally posted by Mandrake:

Also, why would you never visit all of the galaxies?

I'm trying to, but the Portal access in the game is for me the main limitation.

Portal access won't get you to a new galaxy.

[icepurple]

Originally posted by Liralen:

Originally posted by icepurple:

I'm trying to, but the Portal access in the game is for me the main limitation.

Portal access won't get you to a new galaxy.

Oh yes, it does. Each Galaxy has (or almost) a community hub with portals nearby the Galaxy cores. Just visit coordinates exchange.

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by icepurple:

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Also, why do we have to always start on Euclid?
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Back to the portals, or better to say, glyphs. It could be as simple as adding some Missions to the nexus which rewards a glyph. Another one, for example, once you reach rank 9 with an aline race, you get access to all glyphs. Possibilities are endless.

We always start in Euclid because that is the lore of the game.
Why must you always start in a given area in pretty much any game. Be it in general, or tied to a specific character type right?
I must be misunderstanding you - you said you got 10 glyphs, are stuck at 10, and you've visited a whole 3 systems to search for more?
Just to be clear, I usually spend anywhere from a couple to many hours depending on my luck, jumping system to system to find all the travelers I need and visit their graves. It's still usually a fun change from the Artemis mission, just because I've done it so many times.
It is usually dozens of systems before I've found them all to be sure. I've gotten most of my 'Warped XX Times' badges by the time I'm done :)

[icepurple]

Originally posted by Mandrake:

Originally posted by icepurple:

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Also, why do we have to always start on Euclid?
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Back to the portals, or better to say, glyphs. It could be as simple as adding some Missions to the nexus which rewards a glyph. Another one, for example, once you reach rank 9 with an aline race, you get access to all glyphs. Possibilities are endless.

I must be misunderstanding you - you said you got 10 glyphs, are stuck at 10, and you've visited a whole 3 systems to search for more?

No, that makes 13 star systems, 10 +3 since i found the last traveler (10th). That includes also outlaws, which, it seem to me are excluded from travelers findings ( learnign the hard way), is it?

I believe HG, keeps that setting of default euclid for new players. But the work aroudn can be very simple. Those players who already have a save with the main story quest completed, have an unlocked option now, to chose a different starting galaxy.

A bit like when you beat RE games, the next play trough you have unlocked new perks.

[taniwhat]

You can do it, I've done it and while it wasn't hassle free it wasn't painful either.

Main thing you need to know is that travellers are low lifes and drunkards and will quite often be found in back rooms .....

[Creative Guy1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JN83KGjp3E

I collaborated with Xaine on this. Might be of use depending on how you want to play the game.

[Clynol]

RNG i found all glyphs without doing main quest

[mbrowne999]

Lucky for you there is a save editor.