collecting resources is mostly pointless?

[techNN]

so i'm at a point in my game where i have boatloads of money and resources but what can i actually do with it?
most of the resources you need only once or twice in the game and there isn't really much stuff to buy. i've spent huge amounts of time grinding in this game and it feels like i did it all for nothing. do i miss something?

[Zak]

Yeah, a time comes in NMS when making money is trivial and there is not much to spend it on indeed. The game lacks meaningful economy, satisfying trade, ship trade, ship building/customization, building is limited, etc.

Gotta find different approach to the game other than just making units, find different goals, but honestly, I wasn't able to. So I started a new save, did some things differently, but still hit that point soon enough. Came back for the expedition for couple of days...

Some people spend time exploring a lot and cataloging stuff, etc. But I don't know how people can occupy themselves for 3000 hours or more in NMS. I guess, I'm not that imaginative, after a while all planets are the same, sameness is everywhere, different galaxy, same buildings and everything else. I'm back again after few months and will probably start a new save, there is some new stuff in the game to check out. I just wish I could disable the default missions and all the nagging that comes with them and the dreaded "You discovered this. Hold Tab to skip...".

[Geldric™]

It makes it super Ez to complete all those "Collect 'xxx' Activated<insert name>" nexus missions, including the weekend ones.

Once you have the mission, place the 800+ mats in your inventory, land on the planet and wait about 3 seconds, fly to the Trade Outpost, deliver your 750 and Bob's your uncle!

Other than that, yup waste of time and space

[Zak]

Nguyên văn bởi Geldric:

It makes it super Ez to complete all those "Collect 'xxx' Activated<insert name>" nexus missions, including the weekend ones.

Once you have the mission, place the 800+ mats in your inventory, land on the planet and wait about 3 seconds, fly to the Trade Outpost, deliver your 750 and Bob's your uncle!

Other than that, yup waste of time and space

Exactly. I tried some Nexus missions yesterday and this is exactly how it played out. Hack Sentinel Pillar? Kill 72 Monstrosities? Scan planet for plants? There is no difficulty scaling in those missions and there is like 5 basic types of them. You're bored after few hours. NMS needs a refresher of sorts. The expeditions are allright, but it needs more. Either NMS2 or a major new expansion.

At least, the devs could respond to some of the most common wishes people voiced for NMS. There is room for improvement still. I know HG is a small outfit, but NMS is unique and there is still a lot of potential in it.

[Grimmslayer73]

Sounds about right. We can build mining farms that will collect 100k of a resource in a day but the most we will ever need is 50 for a piece of tech....

[Guyver8]

....or...
don't hoard, gather/buy resources only as and when needed... need 200 silver, go get/buy 200 silver (NOT 660+ silver or wotever) pace yourself for your immediate needs, it's hard to stick to especially on normal (with the large stack sizes) but if you manage it the gameplay extends a bit
it may not solve the problem on an existing save but it's an ok strategy on a new save especially on survival/pd ...even more so if the difficulty settings for inventory stack size, purchase price, availability/abundance etc. are all turned to max

[ohiorice]

Nguyên văn bởi Zak:

Nguyên văn bởi Geldric:

It makes it super Ez to complete all those "Collect 'xxx' Activated<insert name>" nexus missions, including the weekend ones.

Once you have the mission, place the 800+ mats in your inventory, land on the planet and wait about 3 seconds, fly to the Trade Outpost, deliver your 750 and Bob's your uncle!

Other than that, yup waste of time and space

Exactly. I tried some Nexus missions yesterday and this is exactly how it played out. Hack Sentinel Pillar? Kill 72 Monstrosities? Scan planet for plants? There is no difficulty scaling in those missions and there is like 5 basic types of them. You're bored after few hours. NMS needs a refresher of sorts. The expeditions are allright, but it needs more. Either NMS2 or a major new expansion.

At least, the devs could respond to some of the most common wishes people voiced for NMS. There is room for improvement still. I know HG is a small outfit, but NMS is unique and there is still a lot of potential in it.

Reportedly... on the net so you know its true... HG has a secret project they have been working on for a good while now... 'roughly' based on NMS.

It probably is not a NMS2 but rather something that utilizes some of the successful elements (whatever HG might consider successful) with some newer, updated designs and technology.

IMO clearly NMS tapped into a hidden desire many, many people didn't even know they had in them. It will be interesting to see what HG brings to the table with whatever they make their next big game.

Again, IMO, NMS for long term players is about over - the draw these days is for new blood. Yet there is so much out there on how to do this, that and the other that a great part of the challenge of NMS is no longer present.

I am very interested in the next big game out of HG. It will be either a hit or a miss - I don't believe it will fall anywhere in the middle.

Till then the quirky but enjoyable NMS will have to suffice.

[Zak]

Nguyên văn bởi Guyver8:

....or...
don't hoard, gather/buy resources only as and when needed... need 200 silver, go get/buy 200 silver (NOT 660+ silver or wotever) pace yourself for your immediate needs, it's hard to stick to especially on normal (with the large stack sizes) but if you manage it the gameplay extends a bit
it may not solve the problem on an existing save but it's an ok strategy on a new save especially on survival/pd ...even more so if the difficulty settings for inventory stack size, purchase price, availability/abundance etc. are all turned to max

True, that's one way. But this just makes the game longer by making it more grindy. At least that's how I feel. Some people go as far as playing without teleporters and they fly their ships everywhere. There was even a mod that removed all teleporters from the game. We need more content, more actual things to do. NMS already has plenty of arbitrary delaying mechanisms to make the progress longer.

Nguyên văn bởi ohiorice:

Again, IMO, NMS for long term players is about over - the draw these days is for new blood.

And I think this is a mistake. NMS is old but has almost cult-like following. Old players will likely drop more money on a good expansion. New players want mostly action and eye candy and NMS can't compete with modern games on action and eye candy. They can't even make DLSS work properly.

[DennisM the Diligent]

I have multiple saves, and each has plenty of units and resources (S-class freighters, sources for just about everything, etc.). Over time (and trial and error) I find better ways of building bases and do discover interesting combinations of things as I explore. I also have found ways to reduce the early-game grind as I do expeditions or other new saves. There are some of the early quests that I recently realized that I haven’t done yet, so I plan to do them over the next few weeks. I’ve also found it more interesting when I play with my adult son – we often think of things to do together in the game that we probably would not think of, or find as enjoyable, when playing alone. I also try to keep reasonable expectations about what a game should provide and know that HG plans to add new features over time. I suppose it could be considered a timewaster to some extent, as with any game (whether playing or watching others play), but I have found enough to keep my interest, when I’m not involved in other real-world activities.

[Dirak2012]

Your mistake was grinding the game, when there is no need for that. Rushing the game is just rushing to a dead end.

[Mr. Bufferlow]

Nguyên văn bởi Dirak2012:

Your mistake was grinding the game, when there is no need for that. Rushing the game is just rushing to a dead end.

The game is more of a "day in the life" situation. Until you figure it out, a lot of players assume it is like most games where you are "judged" or "judge yourself" by your wealth and power.

Almost everything in the game is optional and just there to add interesting things to do while you explore the vastness. Base building may be the only feature that has achieved an almost "this is the other NMS game" status.

So the secret is to not run too hard or grind your little heart out. (Unless that is a source of joy for you)

[techNN]

Nguyên văn bởi Dirak2012:

Your mistake was grinding the game, when there is no need for that. Rushing the game is just rushing to a dead end.

Well, there is little else to do, isn't it?

The story is more or less a tutorial and everything else in this game is basically a grind for cosmetics with absolutely no challenge whatsoever.

I seriously don't get why so many people a raving about this game, it sure has improved a lot over the years but it still feels kinda unfinished.
Hardest challenge is inventory management in the early game and even that is mostly for sake of the god awful UI.

[NZ.Zero]

The only thing you need late game cash for is ship hunting, which is a really fun activity. Well for me it is anyway.

Or course there are the consumables like oxygen and sulphur etc which you need heavy supplies of just to continue to explore, but once you're set up with a system to easily max out your cash and critical resource reserves whenever you want, that side of the game just isn't important.

Basically it just becomes infrastructure to fund your real task of building and exploring.

[UncreativelyNamed]

Overall, I think one of the tricks when it comes to not becoming bored in the long term is to play in ways where money doesn't matter and/or you set rules for yourself to make it a lot harder to acquire money. Getting over the "hoarding" and "farming" mindset -- be it hoarding/farming money or hoarding/farming resources or both -- is crucial. IMO, that is.

For me, that looks like this: I usually play with harsh stack size restrictions and only allow myself to keep two full stacks, maximum, of anything on-hand (so that's a max of 600 of the "common" resources), as opposed to entire storage containers full of stacks of 9,999 of whatever. I also have the cost of things jacked up to max so it, for instance, takes a lot more resources to fuel up a ship. And where possible I don't allow myself to buy stuff with units. (Or nanites, for that matter, other than class upgrades, and because of the settings it takes a lot of nanites to do that, and I don't allow myself to "farm" them.) So, I don't care about the money in the game because I mostly can't use it anyway. About the only thing I do with units is hiring frigates, when I decide to have a freighter at all, and if want frigates, I get plenty of money passively just by scanning plants/animals/minerals on planets (my main source of nanites) without an outlet to spend that money on. Anything else I want/need -- be it upgrades, expansion slots, tech, ships, maps, freighters, nanites, pretty much whatever -- can be and have to be found via exploration of various kinds as well as things like interacting with NPCs. No outright buying allowed.

Basically, I've gone from super-hoarder (including hoarding money) to a player who travels VERY lightly, only seeking, finding, and taking what I need in the moment for a given task. This is me when playing: "I need "x" chromatic metal to finish fixing that spiffy Exotic I found crashed the other day. Better go get me 2x copper. I also need "Y" dioxite to fix those cargo slots on the spiffy solar ship I found while I'm at it. Now, where's the nearest planet with both copper and dioxite? And does it have anything else I need at the moment?" Oh! I need some "A" to make some "B" so I can build "C" on Base "D," too! So, which planet has copper, dioxite, AND Item "A"? *looks at spreadsheet* Oh, there it is, in System Q. OK, so I need to take my souped-up Explorer to get there because none of the others have the hyperdrive range for it yet and neither does the freighter we're sitting on, but the Explorer needs hyperdrive fueling first, so..." (Yeah, I don't generally use teleporters. What's the point of traveling if you don't, you know, TRAVEL.)

This (and other things I do) makes the game harder and, FOR ME, more enjoyable, and I can see myself playing this way long into the future. Thing is, it will only work for me and for people who enjoy the things in the game that I enjoy. Once you've "done it all" (and even if you haven't; I haven't), each person has to find their own way to play that they enjoy, if they want to continue playing long-term. (If not, it's perfectly fine to move on to another game, permanently or temporarily.) This is both the beauty and the problem with sandbox games. You get a lot of tools and building materials, and it's up to you to use them in whatever combination to build the "house" you want to live in for years.

[Guyver8]

Nguyên văn bởi Zak:

Nguyên văn bởi Guyver8:

....or...
don't hoard, gather/buy resources only as and when needed... need 200 silver, go get/buy 200 silver (NOT 660+ silver or wotever) pace yourself for your immediate needs, it's hard to stick to especially on normal (with the large stack sizes) but if you manage it the gameplay extends a bit
it may not solve the problem on an existing save but it's an ok strategy on a new save especially on survival/pd ...even more so if the difficulty settings for inventory stack size, purchase price, availability/abundance etc. are all turned to max

True, that's one way. But this just makes the game longer by making it more grindy. At least that's how I feel. Some people go as far as playing without teleporters and they fly their ships everywhere. There was even a mod that removed all teleporters from the game. We need more content, more actual things to do. NMS already has plenty of arbitrary delaying mechanisms to make the progress longer.

Nguyên văn bởi ohiorice:

Again, IMO, NMS for long term players is about over - the draw these days is for new blood.

And I think this is a mistake. NMS is old but has almost cult-like following. Old players will likely drop more money on a good expansion. New players want mostly action and eye candy and NMS can't compete with modern games on action and eye candy. They can't even make DLSS work properly.

Lol, one player's 'grind' is another player's joy (if you don't like grinding then don't grind), there's loads to do if you want and more coming (and that's before all the player RP challenges)
i'm getting the impression that the shine has gone off the exploration for you and if that's the case then yeah it's gonna get stale for you, over 3000 hrs and i'm still enjoying it and find plenty to do so i guess i would i be a 'long term player' ...but i do take breaks in between some of the updates/expeditions (for some grimm dawn and torchlight2)
old isn't the problem it's if the game does it for you, regarding paid DLC that YOU want, no guarantee that would fix things for you, but the free updates are still coming so maybe something there might 'relight your fire'

[Felis_Exploria]

Nguyên văn bởi techNN:

Hardest challenge is inventory management in the early game and even that is mostly for sake of the god awful UI.

And FPS gamers might not understand what is so entertaining about city building. And downhill skiers might not get why billiards players like such a slow game. Some people like adrenaline, others don't.