Why no support for Intel iGPU's

[BradB.]

I can understand most intel iGPU's not being powerful enough to run NMS, thats fine, i get that. but, intel iGPUs currently make up 17.89% of all players on steam which is quite substantial.
I have a pc with 2x 980Ti's and a 6700k but would also love to play this on my laptop when im not at my main rig and I feel its definately capable (Dell XPS13 (9350) with Iris 540)

Anyone else in the same boat?

p.s. Loving the game so far.

[Nihilluz]

OpenGL 4.5 does not support intel graphics.

NMS is built around OpenGL 4.5, not DirectX.

OpenGL hasn't been updated since 2014......

[[☥] - CJ -]

Intel iGPUs HAVE come a long way in recent years
But there are many games they still cannot handle.

[Lexi53]

Originally posted by kavinsky:

Originally posted by Alexis53:

It's too graphic for Intel iGPU's they are too innocent for such graphic

They should get a lawyer to proof their graphical innocence

But I hired a fraud ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!

[INSTG8R™]

I don't know of any games that DO support Intel HD. Certainly not anything of any significance. Heck almost ALL games make sure to put the note in the Specs "Does Not Support integrated Graphics "

[BradB.]

Originally posted by ShadowGar:

Because we want games to advance into the future and become better and better. That won't happen if the devs cater to Intel GPU's and sse4.1 outdated chipsets. People need to get with the times. If you're going to be part of the master race, you have to spend money. Or go back to consoles and play COD and listen to preteens call you a ♥♥♥ all day over chat. And to Brad about the Iris chip, not that many people are using that yet. Most are still using the five year old intel chipset to play freeplay games here. The same people that buy their PC out of a newspaper used.

I have spent money, in my OP i mention i have 2 980Ti's and a 6700k, a picture if my custom watercooled rig is on my profile.

And i have been clean of consoles for a good 4-5 years now, no way im relapsing ;)

[BradB.]

Originally posted by INSTG8R™:

I don't know of any games that DO support Intel HD. Certainly not anything of any significance. Heck almost ALL games make sure to put the note in the Specs "Does Not Support integrated Graphics "

they put that there to potentially stop people playing it + creating support tickets, bu you name a AAA game, and my specific iGPU can run almost all of them to some playable degree.

[Poop King]

Originally posted by Nihilluz:

OpenGL 4.5 does not support intel graphics.

NMS is built around OpenGL 4.5, not DirectX.

OpenGL hasn't been updated since 2014......

Can you read OP?

[[☥] - CJ -]

Originally posted by BradB.:

Originally posted by INSTG8R™:

I don't know of any games that DO support Intel HD. Certainly not anything of any significance. Heck almost ALL games make sure to put the note in the Specs "Does Not Support integrated Graphics "

they put that there to potentially stop people playing it + creating support tickets, bu you name a AAA game, and my specific iGPU can run almost all of them to some playable degree.

They put that there because in the days that those warnings were common Intel iGPUs were simply not good enough.

That has changed some what in the past few years with current gen Intels having much better iGPUs that can handle more graphic games.

But the same still applies, many times over Intel iGPUs arent capable of handling certain game types, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Laptops.
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Seperately, it is true, NMS uses OpenGL Not DirectX.
If Intel iGPUs arent compatible with OpenGL then theres nothing that can be done to make them run on it.

The latest Intel CPU only has support for OpenGL 4.4, not 4.5 that NMS was built with.

[INSTG8R™]

You know what the best one was. Some young kid was begging for and he insisted his laptop "was as powerful as a PS4" and some poor fool actually bought it for despite my warnings.

Well low and behold he ended up right were expected him in. Tech Support. When we finally got him to give his actual spec....Yeah you guessed it,,,,

[caidicus]

I'm surprised how little people seem to know about intel graphics cards of this generation.

I have a Surface Book. I have had the Surface Pro 3 before that, and the Pro 1 before that. Ever since Intel HD 4000, intel's integrated graphics have been giving AMD and Nvidia's low end cards a run for their money.

The Nvidia 930m is only marginally faster than an Intel HD 520.

This by no means means that people should be expecting every game to run wonderfully on their computer, but it also makes comments like "made for excel and solitaire" seem really ignorant and out of touch.

[INSTG8R™]

Originally posted by caidicus:

I'm surprised how little people seem to know about intel graphics cards of this generation.

I have a Surface Book. I have had the Surface Pro 3 before that, and the Pro 1 before that. Ever since Intel HD 4000, intel's integrated graphics have been giving AMD and Nvidia's low end cards a run for their money.

The Nvidia 930m is only marginally faster than an Intel HD 520.

This by no means means that people should be expecting every game to run wonderfully on their computer, but it also makes comments like "made for excel and solitaire" seem really ignorant and out of touch.

But the applications of those chips aren't for 3D gaming are they either.. Yeah they are getting better. Heck IRIS is big leap for them but still not enough to make them gaming capable in any real sense yet either.

[BradB.]

Originally posted by INSTG8R™:

Originally posted by caidicus:

I'm surprised how little people seem to know about intel graphics cards of this generation.

I have a Surface Book. I have had the Surface Pro 3 before that, and the Pro 1 before that. Ever since Intel HD 4000, intel's integrated graphics have been giving AMD and Nvidia's low end cards a run for their money.

The Nvidia 930m is only marginally faster than an Intel HD 520.

This by no means means that people should be expecting every game to run wonderfully on their computer, but it also makes comments like "made for excel and solitaire" seem really ignorant and out of touch.

But the applications of those chips aren't for 3D gaming are they either.. Yeah they are getting better. Heck IRIS is big leap for them but still not enough to make them gaming capable in any real sense yet either.

laptops with the nVidia 940M are marketed as 'gaming' in most cases although firestrike performance is comparible to that of the Iris 540

Somewhere there has to be some footage of NMS on a 940m, which will be a kick in the teeth to us iris users.

feels like console exclusives... games only being released on one console / games only released for certain GPU's but i know this isnt the case, its just the open GL limitation. although raw performance seems to make me think it could run this game to some degree, hell even if i have to put it down to 720p

EDIT: didnt take long to find ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPhklgMjNc

[INSTG8R™]

Originally posted by BradB.:

Originally posted by INSTG8R™:

But the applications of those chips aren't for 3D gaming are they either.. Yeah they are getting better. Heck IRIS is big leap for them but still not enough to make them gaming capable in any real sense yet either.

laptops with the nVidia 940M are marketed as 'gaming' in most cases although firestrike performance is comparible to that of the Iris 540

Somewhere there has to be some footage of NMS on a 940m, which will be a kick in the teeth to us iris users.

feels like console exclusives... games only being released on one console / games only released for certain GPU's but i know this isnt the case, its just the open GL limitation. although raw performance seems to make me think it could run this game to some degree, hell even if i have to put it down to 720p

EDIT: didnt take long to find ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPhklgMjNc

That is a discrete GPU and again ""weak" for gaming is still head and shoulders above even the strongest of Intel HD. Look some people are will tolerate very sub par experience just to experience it. But Intel HD can't even boot this game let alone render it. Is the kinda gaming you actually want to support and accept?

What would happen to the grand scopes an beauty of GTAV if it had to actually run on that hardware. Might as well just go back to Atari 2600 hooked to a CRT TV. No point in advancing gaming if that has to be the baseline. Why bother innovate and move forward...

[caidicus]

Originally posted by INSTG8R™:

Originally posted by BradB.:

laptops with the nVidia 940M are marketed as 'gaming' in most cases although firestrike performance is comparible to that of the Iris 540

Somewhere there has to be some footage of NMS on a 940m, which will be a kick in the teeth to us iris users.

feels like console exclusives... games only being released on one console / games only released for certain GPU's but i know this isnt the case, its just the open GL limitation. although raw performance seems to make me think it could run this game to some degree, hell even if i have to put it down to 720p

EDIT: didnt take long to find ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPhklgMjNc

That is a discrete GPU and again ""weak" for gaming is still head and shoulders above even the strongest of Intel HD. Look some people are will tolerate very sub par experience just to experience it. But Intel HD can't even boot this game let alone render it. Is the kinda gaming you actually want to support and accept?

What would happen to the grand scopes an beauty of GTAV if it had to actually run on that hardware. Might as well just go back to Atari 2600 hooked to a CRT TV. No point in advancing gaming if that has to be the baseline. Why bother innovate and move forward...

You are speaking the common opinion, but that opinion is outdated. Intel realized at the HD3000 generation that their graphics were completely useless for gaming and gaming was becoming ever more popular on PC. With that, they launched the HD4000.

Since that generation, 3D gaming is actually very good on the Intel integrated. I have personally played, and made YouTube videos, of my old Surface Pro 1 playing 3D games.

As stated, the Intel graphics won't blow minds or top charts, but they're a surprisingly capable option for people who want to game on the go, or for people like me who get a kind of thrill seeing a tablet run full games.

If games don't run on the new Intel graphic chips it is due to those chips not supporting certain graphics instructions like OpenGL 4.5, not because they lack the power to do so at a level compatible to low end discrete cards.

Many games, which use the broadest standards like previous OpenGL libraries, Direct X, etc, run quite well on low to mid settings.

No man's sky doesn't not run because Intel cards are weak, it doesn't run because OpenGL4.5 isn't supported by current Intel graphics. Wait till the next generation, probably a year away, and 4.5 will probably be supported.

[trek554]

Originally posted by caidicus:

Originally posted by INSTG8R™:

That is a discrete GPU and again ""weak" for gaming is still head and shoulders above even the strongest of Intel HD. Look some people are will tolerate very sub par experience just to experience it. But Intel HD can't even boot this game let alone render it. Is the kinda gaming you actually want to support and accept?

What would happen to the grand scopes an beauty of GTAV if it had to actually run on that hardware. Might as well just go back to Atari 2600 hooked to a CRT TV. No point in advancing gaming if that has to be the baseline. Why bother innovate and move forward...

You are speaking the common opinion, but that opinion is outdated. Intel realized at the HD3000 generation that their graphics were completely useless for gaming and gaming was becoming ever more popular on PC. With that, they launched the HD4000.

Since that generation, 3D gaming is actually very good on the Intel integrated. I have personally played, and made YouTube videos, of my old Surface Pro 1 playing 3D games.

As stated, the Intel graphics won't blow minds or top charts, but they're a surprisingly capable option for people who want to game on the go, or for people like me who get a kind of thrill seeing a tablet run full games.

If games don't run on the new Intel graphic chips it is due to those chips not supporting certain graphics instructions like OpenGL 4.5, not because they lack the power to do so at a level compatible to low end discrete cards.

Many games, which use the broadest standards like previous OpenGL libraries, Direct X, etc, run quite well on low to mid settings.

No man's sky doesn't not run because Intel cards are weak, it doesn't run because OpenGL4.5 isn't supported by current Intel graphics. Wait till the next generation, probably a year away, and 4.5 will probably be supported.

that is a load of ♥♥♥♥. all one has to do is look at benchmarks to see something like HD 4000 and HD 4600 are way too poor for modern games. games are getting more demanding at about the same rate that Intel is improving so really the gaming is hardly any better today for current modern games than it was a few years ago for games back then.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4600.86106.0.html

most modern games that have come out in last two years are not even playable on lowest settings at 1280x720. and the HD 4000 would be even more of slideshow.