Doesn't the word leak imply inside job? -- some speculation.

[Grundy]

If informatoin, which is what a computer program is, is 'leaked', that implies that somebody that had legitimate access to the information intentionally released it. Now if Hello Games had 5,000 emplyees that would make me think that one or more of them was crooked. But with a small company like Hello Games, it makes me think they were all in on it. Or perhaps, since Sean appears to me to be a very honest guy with integrity, maybe it was Sony that arranged for this 'leak'. This is not an accusation or a judgement. I want to be clear about this because I find baseless accusations offensive and to negatively judge a company for attempting to increase profit is just silly because that is the purpose of a company.

I am glad Hello Games has made this game and I have no doubt I will get my entertainment dollar's worth tenfold when playing it. But I am always on the look out for being manipulated by hype or other mass-media manipulations.

Another though that has occured to me is that, since I had been waiting for No Man's Sky for awhile, and then it was postponed, I ended up spending about $80 on a handfull of other games to keep me tided over until No Man's Sky finally released. Since my behaviour is unlikely unique, I estimate that Steam benifited immensly from the delay.

Again, not an accusation or a judgement, but I hypothise that perhaps this also was no accident.

I have not watched any 'leaked' footage of the game and I am very much looking forward to the release.

Space Out!

[PlayerNameT]

1. Game goes Gold.

2. Game gets pressed onto some Disks.

3. Disks get packaged and distributed.

4. Some idiot in step number 4 managed to loose/intentionally abstract a copy of the game.

5. Said copy surfaces somewhere somehow and thats your leak.



No inside job, no conspiracy. Just a risk you have to take as a developer/publisher if you go for a boxed version.

[Grundy]

That sounds like a stolen copy of the game not a leak. I didn't choose the work leak. I don't know what actually happened. But somebody chose the word leak and it does imply something different than 'hacked' or 'stolen'.

[PlayerNameT]

Well now we are arguing semantics here.

How would the word "leak" imply where in this chain of people the leak actually happened though?

Also we all know that the "leaked" versions of the game were simply copies of it being sold online, nobody from Hello Games is involved into the manufacturing of those disks since Sony handles it and there is certainly no reason to hand out disks back to the dev team after they have been printed.

[Grundy]

The point of the original post was to provoke discussion of the word 'leak' so yes, we are arguning semantics, though I prefer the word discussing to the word arguing in this context.

Ah ok, I see you have a better understanding of the distribution process than I do. So, in the manufacturing process there is ample opportunity at various steps in the process, for any number of folks with access to the code to, at some point, make a copy and release it online. It appears to me that Sony would want to eliminate this kind of thing as much as possible, except when they don't, but I don't know.

So I guess my imagined scene with Shawn, some Sony executives, a Sith Lord, and Morgoth wringing their hands and maniacaly laughing with evil grimaces might just reflect my overactive imagination more than the actual events that transpired.

In either case, I have to take a leak. :)

My Word!

[willsc]

I'm at a loss of words over your post, that in and of itself is an accomplishment.......

[Steve]

Originally posted by MrSmith:

1. Game goes Gold.

2. Game gets pressed onto some Disks.

3. Disks get packaged and distributed.

4. Some idiot in step number 4 managed to loose/intentionally abstract a copy of the game.

5. Said copy surfaces somewhere somehow and thats your leak.



No inside job, no conspiracy. Just a risk you have to take as a developer/publisher if you go for a boxed version.

This is indeed what most likely happened. Leakjobs ARE commonplace in the industry, but this doesn't smell like one. This smells more like "someone got to a kid at a store somewhere and SE'd 'em into breaking street".

[Samurai]

This is a total misconception on your part. "Leak" in this case referred to leaked footage by an early official copy. There is no spy mystery to uncover here.

[Tux]

I am a programmer by trade and although most of the companies I work for are rather loose about security i will say I find it hard to believe that this code got leaked and HG could do nothing about it including not knowing who did it.

More importantly I dont know how its possible for them to NOT know someone is on their servers playing the game a week before release when the news is telling them that its happening, just walk over to the server and turn the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing off.


That said, Sony and HG gainned nothing by having someone get to the center within 30 hours and having that informmation on all the news so I dont know what is really happening here

[Grundy]

Ah, not misconception, simply a misunderstanding. I did not even know that they were talking about leaked footage, I was trying to avoid it. I had thought that there were actually leaked copies of the game.

[Samurai]

Originally posted by Grundy:

Ah, not misconception, simply a misunderstanding. I did not even know that they were talking about leaked footage, I was trying to avoid it. I had thought that there were actually leaked copies of the game.

Even if that would have been the case there wouldn't have been any way to play them considering it was a ps4 copy.

It was just the footage. One dude paid 1.2k or something for a copy from ebay and posted (leaked) a bunch of footage afaik.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Tux:

I am a programmer by trade and although most of the companies I work for are rather loose about security i will say I find it hard to believe that this code got leaked and HG could do nothing about it including not knowing who did it.

More importantly I dont know how its possible for them to NOT know someone is on their servers playing the game a week before release when the news is telling them that its happening, just walk over to the server and turn the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing off.


That said, Sony and HG gainned nothing by having someone get to the center within 30 hours and having that informmation on all the news so I dont know what is really happening here

"Leaked code"? Dude, you make it sound like someone Swordfished their way into the server and hacked all the planets. Someone just broke street. That's all.

You really find it hard to believe that some teenager working at GameStop can't be bribed into breaking street? Kids are IDIOTS! Especially if you involve a nice crisp $100 bill!

[Grundy]

Oh and as far as the 30 hours to get to the center thing, nothing about that even remotely discouraged me from wanting this game. Everybody always finishes games long before I do because I like to take my time.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Cap'n Fk'n Obvious:

Originally posted by Grundy:

Ah, not misconception, simply a misunderstanding. I did not even know that they were talking about leaked footage, I was trying to avoid it. I had thought that there were actually leaked copies of the game.

Even if that would have been the case there wouldn't have been any way to play them considering it was a ps4 copy.

The first to review early found a store in NYC where employees were willing to ignore the release date.

[Daft Gamer]

I don't know. Leak could also be a sign of a weak prostate.

[lullaby]

The game didn't get leaked. Someone bought a copy before it was publicly available for sale. That's it.