What does a small youtuber have to do...

[RoReaver]

...to even get a reply from Hello Games? I've tried their e-mail address last year, nada, tried both their twitters, zip, and their facebook looks to be a repeat of the e-mail.

I know they have set up a keymailer for reviewers/streamers but I don't use keymailer as that site's dodgy as sin in my eyes (you need to only look at their terms and conditions to get a good idea how much they wash their hands if they get hacked) and I prefer to talk to developers/publishers directly and see if I can actually establish a business relationship I can rely on should Youtube spaz out, like it sometimes does, for a written permission to cram down the site's throat.

They really need to either smack sony outside the head for being so lax in PR terms or hire a in-house PR rep.

(sorry if this seems harsh but when I said I tried their e-mail address last year I mean it, few developers with a major game coming out don't at least give you the "Sorry, you're too small for a review copy but you have permission to use game footage for youtube/twitch." reply which at least would cover my backside for the Youtube spaz outs)

[Vodor]

Escrito originalmente por The Romanian Reaver:

Escrito originalmente por Vodor:

So they set something up for people like you to use and when you refuse to use it, you complain?

You're not getting much sympathy mate.

https://www.keymailer.co/terms
Feel free to read that and realize I am not even asking for your sympathy.

Haha, I wasn't offering sympathy ya numbnuts.

Keeping it short, the keymailer website states "Keymailer connects YouTubers and Twitch streamers to game publishers so that you can get access to game keys quickly and easily."

A service setup to do exactly what you, as a very small youtuber, needs to get their recognition in the big world and you're dismissing it because of terms and conditions? You're not going to get very far in the internet world at that rate.

I can't be bothered to read a wall of text, please, point it out to me.

[Kenuty]

Escrito originalmente por The Romanian Reaver:

...to even get a reply from Hello Games? I've tried their e-mail address last year, nada, tried both their twitters, zip, and their facebook looks to be a repeat of the e-mail.

I know they have set up a keymailer for reviewers/streamers but I don't use keymailer as that site's dodgy as sin in my eyes (you need to only look at their terms and conditions to get a good idea how much they wash their hands if they get hacked) and I prefer to talk to developers/publishers directly and see if I can actually establish a business relationship I can rely on should Youtube spaz out, like it sometimes does, for a written permission to cram down the site's throat.

They really need to either smack sony outside the head for being so lax in PR terms or hire a in-house PR rep.

(sorry if this seems harsh but when I said I tried their e-mail address last year I mean it, few developers with a major game coming out don't at least give you the "Sorry, you're too small for a review copy but you have permission to use game footage for youtube/twitch." reply which at least would cover my backside for the Youtube spaz outs)

Pay for a business license and establish a business (This will cost you hundreds)
Pay for media pass and tie your business to it (This will also cost some $$)
or get really popular in youtubbe (Which won't happen easily and takes a really long time)

Good luck

[RoReaver]

Escrito originalmente por Vodor:

Escrito originalmente por The Romanian Reaver:

https://www.keymailer.co/terms
Feel free to read that and realize I am not even asking for your sympathy.

Haha, I wasn't offering sympathy ya numbnuts.

Keeping it short, the keymailer website states "Keymailer connects YouTubers and Twitch streamers to game publishers so that you can get access to game keys quickly and easily."

A service setup to do exactly what you, as a very small youtuber, needs to get their recognition in the big world and you're dismissing it because of terms and conditions? You're not going to get very far in the internet world at that rate.

I can't be bothered to read a wall of text, please, point it out to me.

Reading must be hard for you: I said I wasn't asking for sympathy ergo your initial statement was as dangling as your opinion is.

Also their terms and conditions pretty much state they will do only what is required by law, not much, to protect your data (youtube, twitch and/or w/e you need to validate your account). That means, numb lobes, that if the site gets hacked they can scratch their arse and tell you that's life while you try to sort out if you've been compromised and if yes to what degree.

As for your last statement: Not gonna get anywhere very far with the minimum amount of work like some people seem focused on more than the quality of their content or the integrity of their actions, yes. Do I care? I'll get back to you on that one.

[Sohl]

Hey if they spend less time replying they have more time fixing stuff for the release so I hope that is what they do with the short amount of time left. More fixes the better :)

Even though I do understand that it's nice to be "noticed" with a reply but when it boils down to it, they do not owe you anything.

I've done streams and I've tried to apply for some keys. Some people say yes, some say no and some don't say anything. Not the end of world. :)

Keep in mind that even if they were to respond to you/everyone it might be copy/paste and thats pretty much as personal as getting nothing.

[Lt.Col. PK]

They might just think you are just trying to just snach a free copy, or your email got buried under all of the other emails.

[|Pipe Dreams]

No thanks.

[RoReaver]

Escrito originalmente por Sohlus:

Hey if they spend less time replying they have more time fixing stuff for the release so I hope that is what they do with the short amount of time left. More fixes the better :)

Even though I do understand that it's nice to be "noticed" with a reply but when it boils down to it, they do not owe you anything.

I've done streams and I've tried to apply for some keys. Some people say yes, some say no and some don't say anything. Not the end of world. :)

Keep in mind that even if they were to respond to you/everyone it might be copy/paste and thats pretty much as personal as getting nothing.

Doubt they'd have one of the coders running PR duty.

Escrito originalmente por Edgy Guy:

They might just think you are just trying to just snach a free copy, or your email got buried under all of the other emails.

Problem: Twitter and Facebook also full on ignore for the most part (think I got one, tangential, reply once).

[Vodor]

Terms and conditions can be overridden by local laws if they deem necessary.
If they get hacked because their systems don't comply with data protection laws then they are responsible and most companies can't hold sensitive data unless they've been security audited.

All they will want is names, email addresses etc. They're not holding bank details or anything. You sound like you're massively overreacting and the sort of person that unplugs their router when they're not using the internet.

And if you're going to get all uppity abotu the sympathy statement, well I wasn't offering. Sympathy isn't asked for, it's given when people believe you're hard done by or something similar. You ain't hard done by, you're refusing to use the tools at your disposal for an extremely daft reason. It's like you've never seen the internet before!

[Jin-]

You just wan't free game :)

[RoReaver]

Escrito originalmente por Vodor:

Terms and conditions can be overridden by local laws if they deem necessary.
If they get hacked because their systems don't comply with data protection laws then they are responsible and most companies can't hold sensitive data unless they've been security audited.

Define sensitive information because below you've referenced such as being non-sensitive.

Escrito originalmente por Vodor:

All they will want is names, email addresses etc. They're not holding bank details or anything. You sound like you're massively overreacting and the sort of person that unplugs their router when they're not using the internet.

So all they want is identifying information in the day and age when you can get swatted if you're lucky... yeah that sounds like a good idea to have floating around freely. And you're deflection towards my character rather than my argument speaks to your desperation at this point to try and land some form of gotcha. You're not. The system you mock me for not using is questionable at best and by what I've, personally, seen not many developers want to use it as a go to solution for their interactions with reviewers either. Feel free to continue pulling ♥♥♥♥ from arse though to try and make it stick as I am amusing myself.

"Whilst Keymailer Ltd exercises all reasonable skill and care to ensure that the Website is secure and free of errors, viruses and other malware, all Users are advised to take responsibility for their own security, that of their personal details and their computers.

If, as a result of Keymailer Ltd’s failure to exercise reasonable care and skill, any digital content from the Website damages the User’s device or other digital content belonging to the User, if the User is a consumer, they may be entitled to certain legal remedies. For more details concerning consumer rights and remedies, Users are advised to contact their local Citizens Advice Bureau or Trading Standards Office."
Translation: Good f-ing luck as a European or Asian denizen getting any "legal remedies" as US law supersedes your local laws and unless there's cause for a major lawsuit, not likely, nothing will happen.

[Vodor]

Good god fella you're reading into things way too much. Those disclaimers you've picked out are on tonnes of corporate emails, other websites and in the T&C's of almost anything you sign up to in the UK - and thats where the company is based. The UK.

MY point is they've decided to use keymailers facilities and because of your personal paranoia you don't want to use it - which is fine - but you have no leg to stand on complaining that it doesn't suit what YOU want to do as a small youtuber.

And sensitive information is stuff like bank accounts, paypal passwords, maybe even postal addresses but not names & email addresses.

As harsh as it may sound you're not as important in the games industry as you want to believe.

[RoReaver]

Escrito originalmente por Vodor:

Good god fella you're reading into things way too much. Those disclaimers you've picked out are on tonnes of corporate emails, other websites and in the T&C's of almost anything you sign up to in the UK - and thats where the company is based. The UK.

MY point is they've decided to use keymailers facilities and because of your personal paranoia you don't want to use it - which is fine - but you have no leg to stand on complaining that it doesn't suit what YOU want to do as a small youtuber.

And sensitive information is stuff like bank accounts, paypal passwords, maybe even postal addresses but not names & email addresses.

As harsh as it may sound you're not as important in the games industry as you want to believe.

Actually your name is classed as sensitive information because, depending how distinctive it is, you can find out the postal address from that and with a bit of handy work much more. If you want to call it paranoia be my guest but I don't volunteer personal information that lightly for the possibility of increased opportunities.

[Platinumb]

Escrito originalmente por Vodor:

Good god fella you're reading into things way too much. Those disclaimers you've picked out are on tonnes of corporate emails, other websites and in the T&C's of almost anything you sign up to in the UK - and thats where the company is based. The UK.

MY point is they've decided to use keymailers facilities and because of your personal paranoia you don't want to use it - which is fine - but you have no leg to stand on complaining that it doesn't suit what YOU want to do as a small youtuber.

And sensitive information is stuff like bank accounts, paypal passwords, maybe even postal addresses but not names & email addresses.

As harsh as it may sound you're not as important in the games industry as you want to believe.

As much as admire the OP for his strength of character and belief in himself, something that is important when owning a youtube channel it borders heavily on deep ignorance, which is why he comes across as him thinking hes important.

Escrito originalmente por The Romanian Reaver:

This is more directed towards the OP but as i said earlier, regardless of the kind of content you make personality is paramount, which as you said earlier it does not come with silence. (This is not the case, i could go extremely in depth into this, showing you the importance of social interactions via Youtube but i don't do that for free. Put simply, in real life the structure of any relationship is interaction, be it phsyical, social or mental. Relationships are formed in many ways but these are restricted on youtube. To form these relationships with viewers you need to do the only form of social interaction you can... Which is verbal.(Though visual is possible with webcams)). You need to make people feel something, otherwise they will not come back. Now, youtube is thriving at this point, definately at it's peak and every day more youtubers pop up - meaning more competition. This means that every single you have to fight harder to be something )unless of course you are doing this purely on the side as fun). The reason this is important is that you need to do something that others don't, something that you are not currently doing.
I could not go onto youtube and count the amount of youtubers that have channels below 1k subs, who just sit there playing games barely talking.

This isn't meant to offend but for you to realise that as an entertainer you can't be resolute in the way you think, you have to be adaptable. You've shown amazing traits through this thread, you're strong willed, you don't back down, you handle situations with mostly maturity (name calling is hard to avoid) but the issue is you do put yourself on a pedestal - big time.
Any time someone tried to say something negative about your content you denied it, though i have no proof, i am and have spoken to you as a professional (once again i cannot and will not prove this but have worked with youtubers on improving their channels), your channel will not improve unless you open up your mind a little and take what people say more seriously.

It's not easy to do what you're doing but don't talk to people like you're the best because you're not, it will be a horrifically painful path JUST to be able to survive on youtube.
Once again i mean no offense, you have the best mindset to creating content but... Unless you listen to people, not the best mindset for creating entertainment.

I'm going to unsub from this discussion and leave you be, i've done too much big boy talking here. I just respect you and hope that you take this contructively, most people never achieve such a resolute strength of mind towards youtube as you.

[RoReaver]

Escrito originalmente por Shane Moffatt:

Escrito originalmente por Vodor:

Good god fella you're reading into things way too much. Those disclaimers you've picked out are on tonnes of corporate emails, other websites and in the T&C's of almost anything you sign up to in the UK - and thats where the company is based. The UK.

MY point is they've decided to use keymailers facilities and because of your personal paranoia you don't want to use it - which is fine - but you have no leg to stand on complaining that it doesn't suit what YOU want to do as a small youtuber.

And sensitive information is stuff like bank accounts, paypal passwords, maybe even postal addresses but not names & email addresses.

As harsh as it may sound you're not as important in the games industry as you want to believe.

As much as admire the OP for his strength of character and belief in himself, something that is important when owning a youtube channel it borders heavily on deep ignorance, which is why he comes across as him thinking hes important.

Escrito originalmente por The Romanian Reaver:

This is more directed towards the OP but as i said earlier, regardless of the kind of content you make personality is paramount, which as you said earlier it does not come with silence. (This is not the case, i could go extremely in depth into this, showing you the importance of social interactions via Youtube but i don't do that for free. Put simply, in real life the structure of any relationship is interaction, be it phsyical, social or mental. Relationships are formed in many ways but these are restricted on youtube. To form these relationships with viewers you need to do the only form of social interaction you can... Which is verbal.(Though visual is possible with webcams)). You need to make people feel something, otherwise they will not come back. Now, youtube is thriving at this point, definately at it's peak and every day more youtubers pop up - meaning more competition. This means that every single you have to fight harder to be something )unless of course you are doing this purely on the side as fun). The reason this is important is that you need to do something that others don't, something that you are not currently doing.
I could not go onto youtube and count the amount of youtubers that have channels below 1k subs, who just sit there playing games barely talking.

Doubt you could be paid to do that considering your entire diatribe is utterly ignoring anything that would wreck your point. But do go ahead and show me the untold number of youtubers you speak of that do things exactly like I do them. You'll quickly smack into the same wall they do: You can be a funny git all you want when your retention rates blow the better part of a cow's arse you could have 10 million subs and still be buried so far in search rankings that most your videos won't pass 10-20 k views which is horrifically bad.

Escrito originalmente por Shane Moffatt:

This isn't meant to offend but for you to realise that as an entertainer you can't be resolute in the way you think, you have to be adaptable. You've shown amazing traits through this thread, you're strong willed, you don't back down, you handle situations with mostly maturity (name calling is hard to avoid) but the issue is you do put yourself on a pedestal - big time.
Any time someone tried to say something negative about your content you denied it, though i have no proof, i am and have spoken to you as a professional (once again i cannot and will not prove this but have worked with youtubers on improving their channels), your channel will not improve unless you open up your mind a little and take what people say more seriously.

It's not easy to do what you're doing but don't talk to people like you're the best because you're not, it will be a horrifically painful path JUST to be able to survive on youtube.
Once again i mean no offense, you have the best mindset to creating content but... Unless you listen to people, not the best mindset for creating entertainment.

I'm going to unsub from this discussion and leave you be, i've done too much big boy talking here. I just respect you and hope that you take this contructively, most people never achieve such a resolute strength of mind towards youtube as you.

When I'll want to ♥♥♥♥♥ myself out for quick success and all the negatives that entails I'll call you. As is you're down to claiming I am prideful and don't take anything onboard which as about as far wide of reality as your above claim that to be successful on youtube you have to be overly verbose. I suggest before flossing your teeth with your boot again you reread everytime someone's been critical of my content what my reply was. Hint: It ain't all the times someone's said I am looking for a freebie ;).

[Wesker]

stay in your lane scrub