I find myself drawn to the extreme Stars

[Cesar]

I just picked it o type Star this morning and found a fairly nice planet and built a base on it. Not finished yet. An O star is so extreme that the Goldilocks zone for a habitable planet would be over a light year away. They don't last very long, the likelihood of a planet forming and lasting long enough for life to evolve out bacteria to complex forms is zero.

The star will supernova first or collapse into a black hole. Supernovas are an extreme event.
All life on the first planet would be exterminated and probably planet itself.

Black hole collapse is a maybe maybe not kind of thing. The star could end in a whimper with a black hole at the center. Enough material could fall into accretion disk surrounding it that there might be a Goldilocks zone around it, heated by the accretion disk.

[Krash Megiddo]

I don't think NMS star systems are based on any real science. The stats you see on the stars data points are flavor text. I applaud your approach as its pretty good roleplay to look at the stars in this game as based on real cosmic models and cause and effect.

[davidb11]

Remind me what an O star is, because I don't recall that off the top of my head.

All I know about the star types in this game is they are different colors, but they have no bearing on real life physics.

Also, the youngest life span for a star that I know of is 100 million years.
Any star with a lower life span will become a hypernova, not a Supernova.

Also, every single star that goes out like a supernova will form a black hole. Black holes are the dead remnants of stars that go supernova.

They won't happen without the original supernova event to trigger first.

[Cesar]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Remind me what an O star is, because I don't recall that off the top of my head.

All I know about the star types in this game is they are different colors, but they have no bearing on real life physics.

Also, the youngest life span for a star that I know of is 100 million years.
Any star with a lower life span will become a hypernova, not a Supernova.

Also, every single star that goes out like a supernova will form a black hole. Black holes are the dead remnants of stars that go supernova.

They won't happen without the original supernova event to trigger first.

A type of star is the largest kind of star that gets formed. They can easily 30 to 100, or more, times the mass of the sun. You can remember the way stars are categorized easily by the phrase, O Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me. Our sun is a G type star. Proxima centauri, the closest star to us, is a type M red dwarf. I don't remember the closest O type star to us but a good one to look up is Eta Carinae.

O stars don't always supernova and leave a black hole. They might supernova and leave a neutron star. They might avoid the supernova and collapse directly into a black hole. It depends on a lot of factors such as how much mass there is and how fast the star is rotating...

Eta Car will probably form a black hole when it blows.

[Krash Megiddo]

Do you play Elite Dangerous? The star type in that game has in-game consequences. Such as choosing which system to jump in next will determine if I can scoop that star for engine (FSD) fuel or not. And planets orbit their stars, and moons orbit their planets. Real asteroid fields, gas giants, etc.

[Dirak2012]

Astronomy is fascinating, however it has nothing to do with how NMS works.

[davidb11]

No massive star can avoid the supernova death. THat's not possible to do so. That's literally the death knell of a star. It cannot skip that death knell. If it attempted to do so, it would be the real world equivalent of dividing by zero. Which would be extremely bad.

Also, any star with a mass over 8 solar masses always collapses into a black hole. That happens 100% of the time.
IT cannot ever form a neutron star.

Also, Alpha Centauri has 3 stars, for what it's worth. Yes, Proxima Centauri is the closest.

[Cesar]

Originally posted by Dirak2012:

Astronomy is fascinating, however it has nothing to do with how NMS works.

Yes I know that. Lol

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

Do you play Elite Dangerous? The star type in that game has in-game consequences. Such as choosing which system to jump in next will determine if I can scoop that star for engine (FSD) fuel or not. And planets orbit their stars, and moons orbit their planets. Real asteroid fields, gas giants, etc.

I do not play elite dangerous but it's on my list of games to try.

[Krash Megiddo]

The astronomy in ED is extremely accurate. Its "stellar forge" engine generated a galaxy that is on a 1:1 scale with our Milky Way. Its so accurate, it predicted the existence of a star system, before astronomers discovered it:
https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/25/14737940/elite-dangerous-trappist-1-system-predicted

[Cesar]

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

The astronomy in ED is extremely accurate. Its "stellar forge" engine generated a galaxy that is on a 1:1 scale with our Milky Way. Its so accurate, it predicted the existence of a star system, before astronomers discovered it:
https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/25/14737940/elite-dangerous-trappist-1-system-predicted

I'm definitely going to play that game now.

[cesarmarcanocencoex_ve]

Originally posted by Cesar:

Black hole collapse is a maybe maybe not kind of thing. The star could end in a whimper with a black hole at the center. Enough material could fall into accretion disk surrounding it that there might be a Goldilocks zone around it, heated by the accretion disk.

Equivalent to Planet Miller in Interstellar film by Cristopher Nolan. 1 Hour in these planet is equivalent to: 7 Years in earth. In otherwise, the 24 hrs in these Miller planet is equivalent to 168 years terrestrial; the linear "sun" are a disk accretion of Black Hole. The Edmund planet are far (the outer goldilocks zone for a special Black Hole Gargatua in the Interstellar film)

[davidb11]

Er, what?
I mean, yes, time dilation does sometime work in bizarre ways, but a Goldilocks planet near a black hole would have no tile dilation.
Or very little.

Otherwise you get the planet with way too large waves. :P
Waves where 95% of the ocean's entire water supply is in it.

[Krash Megiddo]

Originally posted by cesarmarcanocencoex_ve:

Equivalent to Planet Miller in Interstellar film by Cristopher Nolan. 1 Hour in these planet is equivalent to: 7 Years in earth. In otherwise, the 24 hrs in these Miller planet is equivalent to 168 years terrestrial; the linear "sun" are a disk accretion of Black Hole. The Edmund planet are far (the outer goldilocks zone for a special Black Hole Gargatua in the Interstellar film)

I'm so glad you include the spoiler tags, Whew! close call there

[japp_02]

Goldilock's zone? planets 1 ly away? That's not NMS, planets are very close together not reflecting any reality. Also it's the space around planets moving, you certainly have noticed that the planets stay in place in the sky. So much for NMS astronomy.

[davidb11]

To be fair, he also thinks stars can skip the supernova and go straight to a black hole occasionally, and that stars with masses above 8 solar masses can form Neutron Stars.

Maybe they could form quark Stars, but not Neutron stars. No sir.

I'm not trying to be mean here, I Just don't understand his misunderstandings

[magelord01]

If we ever find blue marbles (i.e. Earth-like planets with liquid water oceans and teeming with life) orbiting an O-Class star, then this would be a SURE-FIRE sign of extraterrestrial intelligence! This is because the ONLY WAY for there to be such out-of-place blue marbles is if said blue marbles have been terraformed. If for instance, the James Webb Space Telescope spots several blue marbles orbiting the star Zeta Orionis Aa (which is an O-Class Star), then we would know, for ABSOLUTE CERTAIN, that there ARE non-human sapients out there among the stars! This is because such worlds have clearly been terraformed; and we ourselves did NOT do the terraforming. Blue marbles cannot POSSIBLY naturally form around O-Class stars, because these stars simply don't live long enough. The reason a terraforming project at an O-Class star system would involve several planets rather than just one is that the O-Class star's "Goldilocks Zone", while it would be at least 1 light-year away from the star, would ALSO be *several* light-years wide! This would be PLENTY of room for HUNDREDS of blue marbles!