Unpopular opinion - Settlements remine me of bad mobile city builders

[N a v y 3 0 0 1]

3 hours for one structure to be built? why? At that rate just let me build the structure, it would be finished must faster, since it seems the settlers are unable to build as well as players can.

I am at the point where I did everything I wanted to in the game, so i just have the game closed now watching youtube for 3 hours for one building, then who knows how long for the next one. AND! You can only have one building being built at a time it seems

[davidb11]

Yeah. I'm mostly waiting for Expedition 3. It looks really interesting.
With the new starting ship and it being fancier and what not. And having it's own special upgrades.

That seems really cool.

[N a v y 3 0 0 1]

You need to wait about 20 hours after you build the first building. Then, a new on will be ready

[davidb11]

20 hours? What the heck. THat's a wild cooldown.
If it was 666 minutes it would be less random.

[Hlfpst11]

Messaggio originale di ossied:

I am a Paying customer as such i have rights
So when the car don`t go, i just buy another one till the manufacturer fixes the old one.

You are right about being a paying customer, I am another one too.
But, I am sorry to inform you that if you think that you have bought a copy of NMS using Steam, you are dead wrong. You have never bought a copy of the game, instead, you have bought the right to play the game, that is totally another and different thing.

Messaggio originale di ossied:

I have the right to expect a working product no matter what the product is.

I have some doubts about the right you are talking about, but even if you, me and anyone other that has bought the right to play the game have these rights, good luck to have them fulfilled.

Messaggio originale di ossied:

Video games are products and subject to consumer laws.

Absolutely, but again you haven't bought any video game using Steam, you have just bought the right to play them, and this right is subject to a contract that has a lot of clauses, have you read all of them? Are you sure that there is a clause that assure you that the video game is without any bug and it has to be enjoyable?

Messaggio originale di ossied:

I JUST WANT A GAME THAT DOES NOT KILL 7,500 AUD of PC from ♥♥♥♥ game coders, Is this to much to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ask.

I am pretty confident that there are a lot of video games that don't kill any PC, even a much cheaper one... ...maybe it's probable that they aren't your cup of tea...

[davidb11]

Also, spending 7500 AUD on a computer seems a bit high even for Australian dollars.
Did you get the golden case on your computer at that point? With literal gold?

[Driltan]

Messaggio originale di Hlfpst11:

Messaggio originale di ossied:

Messaggio originale di ossied:

I JUST WANT A GAME THAT DOES NOT KILL 7,500 AUD of PC from ♥♥♥♥ game coders, Is this to much to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ask.

I am pretty confident that there are a lot of video games that don't kill any PC, even a much cheaper one... ...maybe it's probable that they aren't your cup of tea...

I hope the angry guy never buy X4:Foundations. Great game but heavy on the CPU.
No game can kill a PC. Even the Lost Ark drama "journalists" said it killed 3090s is fud. The 3090 were poorly built. https://www.techpowerup.com/286260/evga-reveals-that-bad-soldering-was-the-culprit-behind-bricked-rtx-3090-cards

[Hlfpst11]

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

Also, spending 7500 AUD on a computer seems a bit high even for Australian dollars.
Did you get the golden case on your computer at that point? With literal gold?

I have spent more about 5k euros and I have to keep my old GPU, because until right now, and in the foresee future I don't want to spend about 2.5 times for a new GPU... (...if I have bought also the GPU the whole cost was more than 8k euros, but again as far as I can I will keep my old 2080ti running, at least as far as the GPU prices are 2.5/3 times their normal price)
...Trust me I haven't any golden case or anything other fancy in my RIG... ...just a decent CPU, an entry level (decent brand) MOBO, 4TB of Gen3 M.2 (good brand), 14TB of HD (very good brand), 64GB of DDR4 @3200 (CAS 14) (very good brand)...

[davidb11]

Yeah. I forgot about the GPU issue right now.

I really need to update my computer. I don't know how much a 14 TB hard drive costs. Last time I got an upgrade, it was to a 1 TB SSD and it was a little bit of money. But that was many years ago now.

[Hlfpst11]

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

Yeah. I forgot about the GPU issue right now.

I really need to update my computer. I don't know how much a 14 TB hard drive costs. Last time I got an upgrade, it was to a 1 TB SSD and it was a little bit of money. But that was many years ago now.

Let's just say that the 14TB isn't cheap but it costs far less than the 4TB Gen3 M.2...
...And about the 64GB RAM the CAS14 feature, other than being certified RAM modules for your MOBO, is really expensive... ...and I know is one of the two things that I have given up and bought even if you can find similar products at a really cheaper price, the other one is the CPU... ...but 16 core/32 threads are expensive nowadays...
(...it isn't a threadripper..., ...neither an epyc)

[Driltan]

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

Yeah. I forgot about the GPU issue right now.

I really need to update my computer. I don't know how much a 14 TB hard drive costs. Last time I got an upgrade, it was to a 1 TB SSD and it was a little bit of money. But that was many years ago now.

I paid my 14TB HDD 399.99€ (HDD Seagate IronWolf Pro 14To 3.5).
CPU around 500€ or nonsense if not for business or scientific work or it is for the sake of having a heavy one, especially when you know games are mostly multiplatform badly ported to PC. Motherboard ~300€. GPU from 600 to 1000 or overkill if it's not for 4K which will not be able to get more than 60FPS so...well :D. SSDs around 200€ each let's say x3 ? 1x14TB for backup 400€. 64Go of RAM is a too much right now if you don't plan to do Ramdisks so if you don't do business with photoshop 16Gb is enough. Let's say 3k2 max. You won't buy a monitor for 1500€+, right ? 3k€-3k5€ would make a really powerfull machine, with mouse+keyboard+display+controller added.

[MasterMind]

Messaggio originale di Hlfpst11:

Messaggio originale di ossied:

I am a Paying customer as such i have rights
So when the car don`t go, i just buy another one till the manufacturer fixes the old one.

You are right about being a paying customer, I am another one too.
But, I am sorry to inform you that if you think that you have bought a copy of NMS using Steam, you are dead wrong. You have never bought a copy of the game, instead, you have bought the right to play the game, that is totally another and different thing.

Messaggio originale di ossied:

I have the right to expect a working product no matter what the product is.

I have some doubts about the right you are talking about, but even if you, me and anyone other that has bought the right to play the game have these rights, good luck to have them fulfilled.

Messaggio originale di ossied:

Video games are products and subject to consumer laws.

Absolutely, but again you haven't bought any video game using Steam, you have just bought the right to play them, and this right is subject to a contract that has a lot of clauses, have you read all of them? Are you sure that there is a clause that assure you that the video game is without any bug and it has to be enjoyable?

Messaggio originale di ossied:

I JUST WANT A GAME THAT DOES NOT KILL 7,500 AUD of PC from ♥♥♥♥ game coders, Is this to much to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ask.

I am pretty confident that there are a lot of video games that don't kill any PC, even a much cheaper one... ...maybe it's probable that they aren't your cup of tea...

Lmfao...what are you on about....of course we all bought copies of the game. Hence being able to backup a full installable copy of every game you own on steam. But nice try with that assertion. We all own a copy of the code making it possible for us to play it. If they or steam just turned around and updated the game code not allowing us to backup a full copy, pretty sure both steam and Hello Games would both get their arses sued and lose badly. "You have just bought the right to play them"...lmfao...I have never heard a more ridiculous statement. If steam were to shutdown tomorrow they would be required by law to provide digital access to the content regardless. Hence why game stop app digital content is still accessable to anyone who purchased digital pc games on their platform before shutting it down. They are required by law to still provide access. If what you said were true every single game on steam wouldn't say purchase game but purchase right to play game, in which case nobody would be crazy enough to purchase anything on steam, well except maybe you...come on dude.

[davidb11]

Actually, that's wrong.
No one actually physically owns games that they buy online.
THat's not a thing.

You own a license to play them.
THis has been a thing for years.
It's why Steam is legally allowed to close a person's account completely. And terminate all access to their games.
THey'e done maybe 5 times in total. But they can legally do it.

Basically, you have never owned a game. Except for physical media only.

[Driltan]

Messaggio originale di MasterMind:

They are required by law to still provide access. If what you said were true every single game on steam wouldn't say purchase game but purchase right to play game...come on dude.

You digitally signed this dude :

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https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement#9

[Hlfpst11]

Messaggio originale di Driltan:

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

Yeah. I forgot about the GPU issue right now.

I really need to update my computer. I don't know how much a 14 TB hard drive costs. Last time I got an upgrade, it was to a 1 TB SSD and it was a little bit of money. But that was many years ago now.

I paid my 14TB HDD 399.99€ (HDD Seagate IronW Pr 14To 3.5).
CPU around 500€ or nonsense if not for business or scientific work or it is for the sake of having a heavy one, especially when you know games are mostly multiplatform badly ported to PC. Motherboard ~300€. GPU from 600 to 1000 or overkill if it's not for 4K which will not be able to get more than 60FPS so...well :D. SSDs around 200€ each let's say x3 ? 1x14TB for backup 400€. 64Go of RAM is a too much right now if you don't plan to do Ramdisks so if you don't do business with photoshop 16Gb is enough. Let's say 3k2 max. You won't buy a monitor for 1500€+, right ? 3k€-3k5€ would make a really powerfull machine, with mouse+keyboard+display+controller added.

I need a decent amount of RAM and I like to have more spare cores/threads than necessary because I run some VMs on my rig and usually, even for working reasons, I usually set up some VMs... ...consider that the CAS14 and having officially certified supported by your MOBO RAM is expensive, about doubling the cost than being happy with a CAS16 or a cheaper CAS18 and not being certified for your MOBO, but that is working smooth in the same way, I know that was just a whim of mine.

[davidb11]

Messaggio originale di Driltan:

Messaggio originale di MasterMind:

They are required by law to still provide access. If what you said were true every single game on steam wouldn't say purchase game but purchase right to play game...come on dude.

You digitally signed this dude :

C. Termination by Valve

Valve may cancel your Account or any particular Subscription(s) at any time in the event that (a) Valve ceases providing such Subscriptions to similarly situated Subscribers generally, or (b) you breach any terms of this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use). In the event that your Account or a particular Subscription is terminated or cancelled by Valve for a violation of this Agreement or improper or illegal activity, no refund, including of any Subscription fees or of any unused funds in your Steam Wallet, will be granted.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement#9

Yep exactly.
I'm really not sure why people think we can own games any more. Except for physical media.