If you want to discuss the lies, do it here.

[wakirk2002]

Ok, Here's the thing, if you want to discuss the lies, do it here, leave other posts alone, any such posts should be considered trolling and dealt with appropriately, because it will most likely be 'off topic' for that post.

The Lies ARE the topic here, so, have at it. No need for 20 pages on a post about how much the game is worth, which is a subjective opinion no matter the angle.

Let's make a space for this so everyone can get deal with it, and lets put some context on it shall we?

I'll start it off, tho I may or may not respond, this is a place for folks to vent.

Begin MY OPINION ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/disclaimer

disclaimer
noun [ C ] UK ​ /dɪˈskleɪ.mər/ US ​ /dɪˈskleɪ.mɚ/
​
formal a formal statement saying that you are not legally responsible for something, such as the information given in a book or on the internet, or that you have no direct involvement in it

"And when we ship the game, not everything will be possible, but this is a game we will be making for a while." -- Sean Murrey

(45 Seconds in, the embedded time code doesn't seem to work.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L-H1bxMwy0&feature=youtu.be&t=46s
I would like to find the original. I am not sure what interview this is from, or I would have included that one instead.

No Man's Sky EULA:
http://store.steampowered.com/eula/275850_eula_0

5. Liability.

• EXCEPT AS SPECIFICALLY PROVIDED IN THIS EULA AND TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW:
  
• YOU INSTALL AND USE THIS GAME AT YOUR OWN RISK;
  
• THE GAME IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OR GUARANTEE OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF SATISFACTORY QUALITY, MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NONINFRINGEMENT;
  
• HELLO GAMES AND ITS LICENSORS DO NOT WARRANT THAT THE OPERATION OF THIS GAME WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR FREE OR THAT ERRORS CAN BE CORRECTED;
  
• HELLO GAMES AND ITS LICENSORS EXCLUDE ANY AND ALL LIABILITY FOR ALL REPRESENTATIONS (EXCEPT THOSE MADE FRAUDULENTLY), WARRANTIES, CONDITIONS AND OTHER TERMS WHICH BUT FOR THIS NOTICE WOULD HAVE EFFECT;

Caveat emptor

On top of this:

The Flood:
http://www.hellogames.org/2014/01/the-flood/
https://www.polygon.com/2014/3/11/5487564/hello-games-flood-recovery-interview

The "Sky" lawsuit:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-20-no-mans-sky-studio-settles-secret-stupid-three-year-sky-lawsuit
https://gamerant.com/no-mans-sky-lawsuit-109/

Charges of False Advertisement:
https://www.polygon.com/2016/9/28/13093588/no-mans-sky-advertising-standards-authority-false-advertising
https://www.polygon.com/2016/11/30/13791782/no-mans-sky-false-advertising-results

This was all more then enough to kill most games, or even game companies, more on that later.

Considering ALL of the above, they did NOT have to do the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9PvjJJijY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDNtbosTCvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5328iuzHw-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpSn_dW1xp0

Look what little it takes to overturn a game company:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h87Zc3bhUw

As for Lies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfpV8NMf9RI
Politicians lie, Religious leaders lie, Game developers lie, Your mom likely lied to you about Santa Claus, So what, you can't do a legal thing about it but whine.

As for the Steam numbers argument,
The Launch dates:
PlayStation 4
NA: 9 August 2016
EU: 10 August 2016
Microsoft Windows
WW : 12 August 2016

Notice that PS4 had a 2 to 3 date head start, so, more copies were likely sold on PS4 then on Steam. Even CobraTV doesn't have the PC version of the game. (AFAIK) And I didn't get the PC version till some time later, We also don't know the China numbers, So, no, the Steam numbers are not reflective of the NMS community and useless as a metric.

505 Would not have likely picked up the game if it was going to be DoA. They know something we don't, and subscribers on CobraTV have said that GameStops are flushing old stock of the game. If you don't like the price, get it on discount now.

And finally, the ARG. For those of us in the NMS, has been a madding and fascinating mystery and for quite a few, a lot of fun, Not our fault you missed out on the fun.

As to the anger, a person can not be upset about something they are not emotionally involved in. In some twisted way, most of the folks mad about the lies are also fans of the game, they just need to gain some perspective. You can't be "Let down" or "Disappointed" with out having been in a position of being "Excited" about the game, so, even most of the haters love the game. The rest are trolls who only saw a group being beat on and decided to go badger the group that, at the time, didn't have a defense. The trolls need to grow up.

For me personally, I was also disappointed in the totality of what we got, I enjoyed what there was, but it wasn't much. That's no longer true as of 1.38, and considering what will likely be in NEXT, I think it's going to be pretty nice. (BTW, I am almost sure full on Co-Op multiplayer will be in NEXT, or even I will ship Sean up the river and this game out the nearest airlock, just saying...)

---- end of MY OPINION. --------------------------

So, now that we have some context, have at it. Should be enough here for at least 100 pages or so. No sense in 'Murrey lied' bombing other posts. You got a spot here. VENT away!

[Eternal]

You have a very loong opinion for such a ignorable issue 😆😆😆

[taibevazaha]

Originally posted by Eternal:

You have a very loong opinion for such a ignorable issue 😆😆😆

I understand the thought. This person is obviously just bloody tired of 3 or 4 people derailing every damn thread on here and trying to make it into another stale ass 'lies' thread.
It will probably not WORK, but I get the thought.

[WolfEisberg]

Why make another thread for this when there is already one that exists?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/0/1697169163402307801/

[taibevazaha]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Why make another thread for this when there is already one that exists?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/0/1697169163402307801/

I think because some keep dragging it into damn near every thread anyway?
Mind you I'm not picking a fight. But it always degenerates into 'blah blah blah lies lies lies', with tons of ad hominiems thrown in for good measure (From both sides, to be fair). Not even saying that that's YOUR fault. But it's like some folks cannot let it go to the point where they exist to ONLY derail other threads and make them about 'their' narrative.
So I get OP's THOUGHT. But since the previously cited one YOU posted doesn't work, I rather expect this effort will not either.
That's all I was saying.

[periurban]

There were no lies.

There was a small team of hard working, dedicated designers who gave us one of the most ground breaking games ever made, and continue to develop their ideas for the benefit of us all.

There was also a press driven hype monster that did in fact lie a lot, and misrepresented the game and the abilities and ambitions of the people making it to the point where to get to the truth today you have to do a time stamped google search and reconstruct the context in which everything was said, and even then no-one who believes there were lies will ever listen to an argument that says otherwise.

And last, but by no means least, there was a quiet and self effacing geeky genius who was so far out of his depth at times it was embarassing to watch him squirm under the weight of Sony's embargo. But he did not ever lie, and shame on anyone who accuses him of it.

To paint what happened as "lies" is to set yourself up as a childish hysteric, with no understanding of any reality outside social media and the inevitable hype machine that accompanies every game. NMS did fire up people's imaginations, but I for one applaud HG for doing that, even though it went a wee bit wrong.

I got exactly the game I was expecting - a niche survival game set on a varied set of planets that looked like they had been designed by Bruce Pennington. And then I got more, and more, and more, and now it looks like I'm going to be getting even more.

NMS is a towering work with zero parallel anywhere, and to reduce it to this facile "lie" nonsense is just so sad.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by periurban:

There were no lies.

lol, stopped reading here because it has been proven beyond a reason of doubt that there were lies. It is fine that you choose to ignore the lies, but do not try to fill people that are intelligent with your own lies by saying there were no lies, intelligent people are not going to buy that at all.

[taibevazaha]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by periurban:

There were no lies.

lol, stopped reading here because it has been proven beyond a reason of doubt that there were lies. It is fine that you choose to ignore the lies, but do not try to fill people that are intelligent with your own lies by saying there were no lies, intelligent people are not going to buy that at all.

aaand there it is. 'conceptualize my awe' But that's fine. It's actually not off topic for once.

[Wylie28]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by periurban:

There were no lies.

lol, stopped reading here because it has been proven beyond a reason of doubt that there were lies. It is fine that you choose to ignore the lies, but do not try to fill people that are intelligent with your own lies by saying there were no lies, intelligent people are not going to buy that at all.

then why does anyone of significance disagree? These "lies" are nothing more than stupid assumptions on your part. Stop assuming things and all of a sudden you will stop being dissapointed by video games.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by Wylie28:

Originally posted by Eisberg:

lol, stopped reading here because it has been proven beyond a reason of doubt that there were lies. It is fine that you choose to ignore the lies, but do not try to fill people that are intelligent with your own lies by saying there were no lies, intelligent people are not going to buy that at all.

then why does anyone of significance disagree? These "lies" are nothing more than stupid assumptions on your part. Stop assuming things and all of a sudden you will stop being dissapointed by video games.

And who are these people of significance exactly?

Stop assuming things? Is that code for don't take the words coming out of a developers mouth to mean what it means? So if a developer says something like " you can go up" that it doesn't mean "you can go up" but means something else?

[Wylie28]

depends on when they say you can. When they say "Not every feature will be possible by launch" dont assume every feature will be therr at launch.

[thezorch]

Where are the torches and pitchforks for Peter Molyneux and all the times he's "lied" to people about...oh...nearly every game he's worked on. There are several instances where devs have lied worse than Sean Murray is alleged to have lied and you don't see people demonizing them at every turn or harassing their fanbase.

That is what a small minority is doing, harassing people for no other reason other than they don't share their hate for No Man's Sky.

[jbbuzz]

Definition of lie: To make an untrue statement with intent to deceive.
No matter what Sean Murray said, I don't believe he intended to deceive.
I have noticed a behavior that seems to be much more common among many gamers than in the general population.
Hype > Expectation > Unfulfilled expectations > Anger

[taibevazaha]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by Wylie28:

then why does anyone of significance disagree? These "lies" are nothing more than stupid assumptions on your part. Stop assuming things and all of a sudden you will stop being dissapointed by video games.

And who are these people of significance exactly?

Stop assuming things? Is that code for don't take the words coming out of a developers mouth to mean what it means? So if a developer says something like " you can go up" that it doesn't mean "you can go up" but means something else?

I tend to agree. So your assertation is, apparently, that when Sean LITERALLY said, "Don't come into this game looking for multiplayer. If that's what you want, there's loads of other great games out there for that, If you want multiplayer, go buy one of those other games" that he was lying, then? It is one of the most recent statements before release regarding the question. So those are literal words coming out of a developer's mouth. Which we are apparently meant to completely disregard for some reason?
What's the formula as to which statements we are picking and choosing from?
I'm honestly trying to just understand why SOME statements are called 'statements the dev said and should then be truth' and 'statements the dev ALSO said and we are choosing to pretend were not said, (for whatever reason)'... I am seriously just asking. What's the rule on 'picking out' what comments are chosen to be regarded and which are chosen to ignore, here?

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by taibevazaha:

Originally posted by Eisberg:

And who are these people of significance exactly?

Stop assuming things? Is that code for don't take the words coming out of a developers mouth to mean what it means? So if a developer says something like " you can go up" that it doesn't mean "you can go up" but means something else?

I tend to agree. So your assertation is, apparently, that when Sean LITERALLY said, "Don't come into this game looking for multiplayer. If that's what you want, there's loads of other great games out there for that, If you want multiplayer, go buy one of those other games" that he was lying, then? It is one of the most recent statements before release regarding the question. So those are literal words coming out of a developer's mouth. Which we are apparently meant to completely disregard for some reason?
What's the formula as to which statements we are picking and choosing from?
I'm honestly trying to just understand why SOME statements are called 'statements the dev said and should then be truth' and 'statements the dev ALSO said and we are choosing to pretend were not said, (for whatever reason)'... I am seriously just asking. What's the rule on 'picking out' what comments are chosen to be regarded and which are chosen to ignore, here?

Link to where he said that.

[taibevazaha]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by taibevazaha:

I tend to agree. So your assertation is, apparently, that when Sean LITERALLY said, "Don't come into this game looking for multiplayer. If that's what you want, there's loads of other great games out there for that, If you want multiplayer, go buy one of those other games" that he was lying, then? It is one of the most recent statements before release regarding the question. So those are literal words coming out of a developer's mouth. Which we are apparently meant to completely disregard for some reason?
What's the formula as to which statements we are picking and choosing from?
I'm honestly trying to just understand why SOME statements are called 'statements the dev said and should then be truth' and 'statements the dev ALSO said and we are choosing to pretend were not said, (for whatever reason)'... I am seriously just asking. What's the rule on 'picking out' what comments are chosen to be regarded and which are chosen to ignore, here?

Link to where he said that.

It was an interview, and it may take me a bit to relocate it. I'm not an obsessive about this sort of thing, but I distinctly remember it being said by him in an interview. I'll look for it. Others may remember said interview if you do and remember, please post.
But I am not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you. he literally said that.
Thus the source of my confusion, you see....