Please bring back OpenGL.. Vulkan is so bad.

[TykTaku]

Hello Games please - bring back OpenGL. Beyond update with Vulkan has messed this game. Rendering issues, graphics looks like crap now, lower performance.. Why? T_T

PS. Would like to revert to NEXT.

[Markus Reese]

That is a pretty terrible choice with the Revert Version.

Before you say that, consider what you are saying and how pathetic of an option that is and that it only validates GL was better from a business standpoint.

"Sorry, no new updates of game mechanics for you because we force the VR on an old game that played fine instead of making it a choice in the graphics options like every other game."

It isnt like stellaris and updates to game mechanics. It is a brute force change that renders unplayable a game that was playable for players. The game wasnt built on the Vulkan platform. It doesnt have the models or textures to capitalize on it. It only gains VR, and the VR is not good.

Also the system requirements havent been updated on the store page.

So if you want blinders, fine. Defend the bad idea that didnt make any positive gains vs if they had kept the Open GL as an option for players.

They broke it for players all for adding option of VR to try and milk a few last sales bucks. Screw older and long term players. They dont add anything to game. They already paid. Lolz them. No updates for you!

Edit: Note that I say this and can run game fine still, and still see no value in what many others experience. What I do notice however is thanks to cache changes, choppy texture loading. Once loaded looks good, garbage when flying.

[Ggd07]

It's not a bad idea. You need to get that through your head.

Vulkan is better than OpenGL.

Upgrade your computer.

If you could play the game with 15fps, then that's not really playing the game. That's watching a slide-show.

Again:

Vulkan is better than OpenGL.

OpenGL IS NOT COMING BACK, no matter how much you quiver and scream.

And again:

Vulkan is better than OpenGL!


Comparing No Man's Sky to other inferior games is not going to bring back OpenGL.
Saying other games have both is NOT going to bring back OpenGL.

No matter what you say, OpenGL is not coming back!

And again:

Vulkan is better than OpenGL!

/thread

[Markus Reese]

You havent said how it is better in the case of No Mans Sky.

I can put F1 racing tires on a Honda fit, doesnt mean it is faster on a race track. It is still a Honda fit and cannot make use of the race compound. All I gained was a wallet 10k $$ lighter.

That is NMS and vulkan. Vulkan is better if the game is built around it and for it. NMS wasnt and isnt. They added it only to gain a feature to get impulse buys. It may be better, but it doesnt actually do anything in this game except add VR and excludes many long term players.

There are a hell of a lot of games far older and still successful in game market without needing to change. If they wanted lasting market and not an impulse buy surge, they would have spent said time on even more gameplay and features. Keep a wider available playerbase and increased lasting power.

So Vulkan does absolutely nothing aside from VR for nomansky except make it unplayable or worse visually for many people.

/thread

[Nikki]

Messaggio originale di ŁōąŦ:

My game looks even better after the update.

Your pc is old, slow and broken.

So that's why my PC runs this game like crap at 1920x1080 20fps or 4k 1-2fps when it can run more demanding games at 4k 144fps? My i7-7820x/RTX 2080 TI are "old, slow, and broken".... I never would have guessed. /s

[acorn cop]

I love how everybody is a master big brain on game software engineering and knows exactly if the problem is the game or the game engine or something else, smh.

[Del-Dredd]

Messaggio originale di XOLiD:

Lmao the stupid people in this thread that think the awful texture and LOD pop-in is "beautiful" need to get a clue.
There's countless side by side screenshots clearly showing how much better the game looked before the update.

But that is not due to Vulcan versus opengl, idiots do not get that, it is due to other reasons.
They changed the LOD distances for a start.

[Ggd07]

Yeah because Formula 1 is exactly the same as Game Development and the technology surrounding it..

Vulkan does a lot. Sorry you cant really benefit from it because of your "1970 Car"

[Ggd07]

Messaggio originale di Nikki:

Messaggio originale di ŁōąŦ:

My game looks even better after the update.

Your pc is old, slow and broken.

So that's why my PC runs this game like crap at 1920x1080 20fps or 4k 1-2fps when it can run more demanding games at 4k 144fps? My i7-7820x/RTX 2080 TI are "old, slow, and broken".... I never would have guessed. /s

Nice lies. People with 2070 are running the game at 100+ fps. Something is obviously wrong with your machine if this is true.

[Del-Dredd]

Messaggio originale di twistedmelon:

Vulkan problem isnt in immediate, it is in the cache system. If you dont have a GFX card made after the game came out, then you play for a bit and it looks like crap and texture load in all chunky cause it stops caching.

Key thing is Vulkan again is only supported with cards newer than a game meaning people whos PCs are still solid and ran game fine had it force converted to an unplayable status.

Also what did they gain? Models and textures havent changed and that is why those which might have some graphics game are very minimal cause everybody who played and has played already could run it tops.

Wow... They gained the small VR community for a short bit who all say the VR is bad. Talk to those that have youtube etc the vr and all say is almost unplayable.

Dont bring up the "They are fixing" cause that is supposed to be done before launch. I dont see why it is a positive to say "They broke it, but a bit of tape and glue it will be almost as good as it used to be"

Praise them for making it worse cause... well it used too be a lot worse but they made it less worse.

VR is only bad for the minority who keep bleating on about it., The Majority using VR are having a good time and do not bother posting. Sure some have issues, but not everybody as they try to insist. It will only get better with more tweaks.

What are the whingers going to do when opengl kicks the bucket as is likely sooner rather than later.

[Occasional Gamer]

I'm playing this on a Quadro K2000M from 2012 with Vulcan and it runs..... it's just a matter of finding the right drivers. If that old brick can handle NMS and Vulcan, anything can.

[Nikki]

Messaggio originale di Ggd07:

Messaggio originale di Nikki:

So that's why my PC runs this game like crap at 1920x1080 20fps or 4k 1-2fps when it can run more demanding games at 4k 144fps? My i7-7820x/RTX 2080 TI are "old, slow, and broken".... I never would have guessed. /s

Nice lies. People with 2070 are running the game at 100+ fps. Something is obviously wrong with your machine if this is true.

Believe what you want. I have the boxes, receipts, etc. I could show that, but you will just claim otherwise. I also don't need to prove anything to you.

PS
I don't care if you or anyone else here believes me. I said what's happening on my computer. It's your choice to believe it, or not. If you chose not to believe it, that doesn't change what is happening.

[lotw_1]

Messaggio originale di JustAnEmu:

Messaggio originale di lotw_1:

Using a nVidia GTX1080 and only getting 27fps dropping to slide show.

GTX 1070 and Ryzen 5 1600, High settings, 60fps on planets and in space.

I got it fixed using the Experimental version of the game, but that version sometimes causes issues, not ready for prime time but I have to use it or switch back to my AMD card.

[goldengoose7]

VULKAN is far superior to OPEN GL in every way. The issues you are complaining about are all down to HG's POOR implementation of the VULKAN API.

Blame them. Vulkan has many impressive titles under its belt like DOOM, that run like butter on most systems.

[goldengoose7]

Messaggio originale di Nikki:

Messaggio originale di Ggd07:

Nice lies. People with 2070 are running the game at 100+ fps. Something is obviously wrong with your machine if this is true.

Believe what you want. I have the boxes, receipts, etc. I could show that, but you will just claim otherwise. I also don't need to prove anything to you.

PS
I don't care if you or anyone else here believes me. I said what's happening on my computer. It's your choice to believe it, or not. If you chose not to believe it, that doesn't change what is happening.

You need to be running the latest NVIDIA driver package released recently that includes VULKAN 1.1.

My 1080ti runs the game at a locked 60fps at 1440p no problem. (60hz 4k panel) The game is still not optimized well enough for the same performance in Native 4k however. But 1440p looks almost as good in this game.

[Masque]

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197992781876/screenshots/

Look at the latest ones.

Behold the jagged edges. You could play a platform game on them. 2d Lara Croft would have to jump and mantle those edges.

I'm sure they run smooth, though. There's a small consolation.

If my FPS wasn't capped at 60, I'd probably be getting 100+.

And it would still look like garbage compared to pre-Beyond. I'm not going back to Beyond. I'm going to a game that doesn't look like garbage. Never did play Witcher 3. Started it today, and wow does it look beautiful, with no stair-steps defining the horizon.

Until they fix these garbage graphics that they completely destroyed, this game is off my to-play list. It was a fun 400 hours, until they decided screw you all, ugly is the new "better than OpenGL".

Ugly is BETTER! Why can't you see that ugly is better than not ugly? What's wrong with you?