Why the love for Minecraft, but hate for NMS?

[BigGrayGolem]

They share some elements, and certainly many gamers play both, but I do understand Minecraft and No Man's Sky are different games entirely. My question is about fan reaction. Minecraft is perpetually buggy, mod-antagonistic, and nearly impossible to play without utilizing third party mods (like OptiFine) just to get it to run at a minimal FPS. (Because it's coded in Java.)

Update after update, Mojang breaks 100% of mods, and it may take a year or more for mods to update. Worse, they change core game mechanics, gameplay and other features so that the game you loved once may not be the game you wake up to the next day. If you like exploration, you may find the game has been updated to favor combat; if you like combat, you may wake and find the new game favors building. You never know.

The devs are WAY more unresponsive and hostile to fans than Hello Games, and only communicate on Reddit, only rarely and in one direction (they talk, you listen.) Their founder was an antisocial misfit who left the company and gave a big middle finger to the fans who earned him his billions, as he left the door. He's since had little nice to say about anyone, even as he spends his money. Generally, Mojang is far more loathesome than HG ever was.

NMS came out of the gate with a misstep, but seems to suffer permanent negative spin. They have made good on their promise to update the game with major improvements, and have done so without breaking the gameplay or creating new performance-killing bugs. The issue of mods is a problem, but the mod community is not that large yet to cause much of a fuss.

It appears Mojang could release a new version of Minecraft that caused cancer and still be lavished upon, while Hello Games is forever tarnished, even as they take all the right steps to fix their admitted mistakes.

Thoughts?

[Omen]

Vardyn の投稿を引用：

Captain Titties の投稿を引用：

does it have multiplayer?

THat's the best thing about NMS and the worst about Minecraft.

getting attacked by salty 10 year olds

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Vardyn の投稿を引用：

Captain Titties の投稿を引用：

does it have multiplayer?

THat's the best thing about games like Minecraft and the worst about scams like NMS.

you know my and couple of my buddies once created a quick outpost on a rust server outside of this "community" and we change our names to the walking dead characters you know as in rick grimes, Glenn and Hershel so we equip ourselves and started shooting up this "community" it was tons of fun hell one of the guys even came up to us to try to surrender and ♥♥♥♥ tons of fun SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES G AMES LIKE MINECRAFT FUN! now can you do the same in No man Sky? NO YOU CANNOT SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES NMS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible also there is another history about us making a random guy our wood slave but thats another history

[Gaxel]

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Vardyn の投稿を引用：

THat's the best thing about games like Minecraft and the worst about scams like NMS.

you know my and couple of my buddies once created a quick outpost on a rust server outside of this "community" and we change our names to the walking dead characters you know as in rick grimes, Glenn and Hershel so we equip ourselves and started shooting up this "community" it was tons of fun hell one of the guys even came up to us to try to surrender and ♥♥♥♥ tons of fun SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES G AMES LIKE MINECRAFT FUN! now can you do the same in No man Sky? NO YOU CANNOT SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES NMS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible also there is another history about us making a random guy our wood slave but thats another history

I don't play any PvP or coop, it would be like listening justin bieber to me.
So, the fact NMS is only single player, to me is a plus, since I don't buy games who have PvP or coop (even if they have single player too), because Idont want to found any developer who wastes resources in multiplayer.

[☆KTKTTPod01☆]

Frodzero の投稿を引用：

Vardyn の投稿を引用：

THat's the best thing about NMS and the worst about Minecraft.

getting attacked by salty 10 year olds

^ accurate.

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Vardyn の投稿を引用：

Captain Titties の投稿を引用：

does it have multiplayer?

THat's the best thing about NMS and the worst about Minecraft.

Nothing wrong with giving the players a choice of which mode they want to play. While I don't really play any multiplayer - I still appreciate that it's pretty popular.

Multiplayer is a great way to keep a game alive, keep new players incoming and keep the money rolling in, which supports the devs and in the end allows them to support the game for longer which means more content for everyone...including single player.

An optional multiplayer mode in NMS can only benefit HG and the fan base, so I wouldn't sneer at the idea.

[Gaxel]

Beezzi の投稿を引用：

Vardyn の投稿を引用：

THat's the best thing about NMS and the worst about Minecraft.

Nothing wrong with giving the players a choice of which mode they want to play. While I don't really play any multiplayer - I still appreciate that it's pretty popular.

Multiplayer is a great way to keep a game alive, keep new players incoming and keep the money rolling in, which supports the devs and in the end allows them to support the game for longer which means more content for everyone...including single player.

An optional multiplayer mode in NMS can only benefit HG and the fan base, so I wouldn't sneer at the idea.

I don't support developer who add any kind of PvP/Coop to their games.

[Skymarshal Guillaume Massani]

Honestly some people just run in a blind herd and hate on things because they can. I get the optimization complaints of No Man's Sky, but that is about it. Yeah it runs like garbo for a lot of folks, but the game is fun and compelling if you hate structured games and just want an immersive experience in space. These people that are virulently angry about this game should be Mafia fans and try Mafia 3. Now there is a game to be furious about, but it got the AAA publisher shield this tiny team of fourteen didn't have. Most Playstation fanboys hate freeroam and open world games. It is the antithesis of their being, they enjoy a linear and focused experience like Order 1886, or every other Playstation game ever. You give them an open game like NMS and they will lose their crap regardless of what they were given. TLDR: Game wasn't bad, play Mafia 3 before QQing.

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Vardyn の投稿を引用：

Beezzi の投稿を引用：

Nothing wrong with giving the players a choice of which mode they want to play. While I don't really play any multiplayer - I still appreciate that it's pretty popular.

Multiplayer is a great way to keep a game alive, keep new players incoming and keep the money rolling in, which supports the devs and in the end allows them to support the game for longer which means more content for everyone...including single player.

An optional multiplayer mode in NMS can only benefit HG and the fan base, so I wouldn't sneer at the idea.

I don't support developer who add any kind of PvP/Coop to their games.

Isn't that difficult?

I suppose, if it's a sacrafice your willing to make...sad, because there's some great single player games (the mass effect series, Journey, LBP series, Bioshock series, Red Dead, Crusader Kings, EU4, Factorio) with optional smaller multiplayer modes.

Oh and NMS as well...it does have a community interaction multiplayer element after all and you said that of any kind...and HG does support it....so it'll be sad to see you go?

[Gaxel]

Beezzi の投稿を引用：

Vardyn の投稿を引用：

I don't support developer who add any kind of PvP/Coop to their games.

Isn't that difficult?

I suppose, if it's a sacrafice your willing to make...sad, because there's some great single player games (the mass effect series, Journey, LBP series, Bioshock series, Red Dead, Crusader Kings, EU4, Factorio) with optional smaller multiplayer modes.

Oh and NMS as well...it does have a community interaction multiplayer element after all and you said that of any kind...and HG does support it....so it'll be sad to see you go?

It have to be a very focused PvP or Coop game. NMS is not PvP or coop. Games that focused on PvE are good to me (not the mmorpg though).
Games that have a strong single player mode, and a very light multiplayer can be bought at a very small price.

Of all the games you listed, I've bought only Mass Effect and Bioshock series, however, the first of both were single player only, and I don't like the sequels (was a mistake buy them). Also Red Dead, and my biggest complaint about the game is the multiplayer, for I cannot obtain all the achievements because of that.

[soysauce69]

Op I hope your post is to the ones under the age of 18 because those are the ones who like minecraft the most....I'm middle aged and don't want to run around the universe doing what other games already have. This is a chance for Hello games to do something unique and add its own value to the game. So far the depth of the game is to just run around building bases slowly exploring the same bland planets with not really much else to do. A little more action to spice it up and it wont be anything like minecraft as for your attempt at the comparrison.

[Skymarshal Guillaume Massani]

Hyeson の投稿を引用：

Skymarshal Anoke の投稿を引用：

Honestly some people just run in a blind herd and hate on things because they can. I get the optimization complaints of No Man's Sky, but that is about it. Yeah it runs like garbo for a lot of folks, but the game is fun and compelling if you hate structured games and just want an immersive experience in space. These people that are virulently angry about this game should be Mafia fans and try Mafia 3. Now there is a game to be furious about, but it got the AAA publisher shield this tiny team of fourteen didn't have. Most Playstation fanboys hate freeroam and open world games. It is the antithesis of their being, they enjoy a linear and focused experience like Order 1886, or every other Playstation game ever. You give them an open game like NMS and they will lose their crap regardless of what they were given. TLDR: Game wasn't bad, play Mafia 3 before QQing.

I love sandbox games that don't give you a big goal to achieve.. and in the Astroneer > NMS threads I can clearly see all the "haters" agreeing that astroneer is the better game ( I think it's promising.. but I would wait what comes out of it btw).
That's the moment when your "these people just don't like sandbox or indie games!!!!" theory falls on it's ass.
If you make an exploration game (and there is nothing wrong with that) make sure there is something interesting to explore.

I meant my statement towards the console players which is where I've seen majority of the criticisms non-performance related come from in my experience. Also in my experience these people do not enjoy open world games. They like stuff like that Team Ico crap. The actual SONY gamer that would badmouth NMS. Whereas PC folks have so many space survival games already and the folks I game with that play similar titles feel that NMS is a good game with tons of promise and I hold the opinion of people I've crashed 60 million KG ships into planet surfaces with on SE over Sony Pony's and the CoD generation.

I saw the thread and wasn't terribly impressed by the haterade. The problem is some people are too picky. There is already more to explore in NMS than in Space Engineers and Empyrion which is what I would hold this game to. Astroneers to me isn't a comparable game, it seems more to me like Kerbal which is not my cup of tea. I want a first person space game where I wanderlust and carve out my own niche. NMS does that as does SE and Empyrion but NMS is the only one that has an actual game to it IMO. I found NMS to be interesting explore, however I understand why it's style of storytelling isn't for this current generation. Yeah yeah, "repetitive" or whatever else gets hurled at it, but if you want repetitive...Mafia...Three.

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Vardyn の投稿を引用：

Beezzi の投稿を引用：

Isn't that difficult?

I suppose, if it's a sacrafice your willing to make...sad, because there's some great single player games (the mass effect series, Journey, LBP series, Bioshock series, Red Dead, Crusader Kings, EU4, Factorio) with optional smaller multiplayer modes.

Oh and NMS as well...it does have a community interaction multiplayer element after all and you said that of any kind...and HG does support it....so it'll be sad to see you go?

It have to be a very focused PvP or Coop game. NMS is not PvP or coop. Games that focused on PvE are good to me (not the mmorpg though).
Games that have a strong single player mode, and a very light multiplayer can be bought at a very small price.

Of all the games you listed, I've bought only Mass Effect and Bioshock series, however, the first of both were single player only, and I don't like the sequels (was a mistake buy them). Also Red Dead, and my biggest complaint about the game is the multiplayer, for I cannot obtain all the achievements because of that.

So by your definition then, you'd agree that if NMS stayed focused on single player/PVE but added a multiplayer mode that didn't effect single player in anyway, that would be ok?

Cool, because that's what Minecraft and loads of other single player games have. It gives those communities a choice to play in the way they want, which is a great thing for any dev to do and no one should sneer at it.

[GrandPa Gaming NL]

Why the love for minecraft and the hate for NMS? Simply because minecraft didn't pretent to be something else before release. Hello Games pretended to be working on an AAA game, but gave us a mediocre game that is still in alpha stage, pretending it's finished and still charging us AAA price.

[Gaxel]

Beezzi の投稿を引用：

Vardyn の投稿を引用：

It have to be a very focused PvP or Coop game. NMS is not PvP or coop. Games that focused on PvE are good to me (not the mmorpg though).
Games that have a strong single player mode, and a very light multiplayer can be bought at a very small price.

Of all the games you listed, I've bought only Mass Effect and Bioshock series, however, the first of both were single player only, and I don't like the sequels (was a mistake buy them). Also Red Dead, and my biggest complaint about the game is the multiplayer, for I cannot obtain all the achievements because of that.

So by your definition then, you'd agree that if NMS stayed focused on single player/PVE but added a multiplayer mode that didn't effect single player in anyway, that would be ok?

Cool, because that's what Minecraft and loads of other single player games have. It gives those communities a choice to play in the way they want, which is a great thing for any dev to do and no one should sneer at it.

No.

By my definition, if NMS will get PvP or coop, like Minecraft, I'll not buy anything from HG in the future. I don't care if people like to play PvP or coop, actually I ignore all the multiplayer communties around the Internet and if a review say "bad multiplayer" to me is always a positive thing.

I don't want to spend money to support PvP or coop, so I won't pay a game with PvP/coop at full price. The developers/publishers should split single and multi, and sell them separately. In that case I'd buy their single player game. Right now I don't want to support PvP and coop so I buy the game only when it's at a very very low price, iof the single player really deserve to be played.

[Gaxel]

Hyeson の投稿を引用：

Vardyn の投稿を引用：

No.

By my definition, if NMS will get PvP or coop, like Minecraft, I'll not buy anything from HG in the future. I don't care if people like to play PvP or coop, actually I ignore all the multiplayer communties around the Internet and if a review say "bad multiplayer" to me is always a positive thing.

I don't want to spend money to support PvP or coop, so I won't pay a game with PvP/coop at full price. The developers/publishers should split single and multi, and sell them separately. In that case I'd buy their single player game. Right now I don't want to support PvP and coop so I buy the game only when it's at a very very low price, iof the single player really deserve to be played.

Minecraft isn't focused on PVP or coop. It gives you the same stuff to do in both parts of the game.... and you know.. the "bad multiplayer" you mentioned.. they spent money on that too.
I have the feeling you have no Idea what your principles actually are.

Never said I'll buy games with a bad multiplayer, I said it's a good thing.

Usually I exclude any game (on Xbox One, 360 or Steam) with multi/coop achievements.
Minecraft on Xbox doesn't have any multiplayer achievement, so it could be bought at a discount price.

I'll never buy/play games like CoD, Bf, DOTA2, WoW, LoL and all of this (to me) kind of ♥♥♥♥.

Other games depend, if they are very focused on very godd single player and don't have multiplayer achievements could be bought at a ver low price, even if they have some kind of PvP/Coop.

Games like Hitman or NMS have some "netcode", some server side things, but use them to enhance single player, not to provide a way to interact with other people ingame, that's the only kind of online features I want in a game.