Frame Gen Input Delay

[Zeriu]

Looking for help as frame gen us unusable for me. Enabling I get really bad mouse input delay.

Specs:
1440p Display
AMD Ryzen 5800x
Nvidia RTX 4070 Super
16GB RAM
Running on an SSD

Playing native I am getting an average FPS of 118-130. DLSS I get 150 and frame gen I get over 200 but then the games unplayable.

I am only playing the game on high preset settings.

[IamDezire]

Turn off frame gen and use VSYNC. Its SO much better and doesnt have that problem.

[Bacon Overlord®]

Is that what the problem is? Iv'e never had an issue with frame gen before... but this mouse lag is crazy.

[IamDezire]

Originally posted by Bacon Overlord®:

Is that what the problem is? Iv'e never had an issue with frame gen before... but this mouse lag is crazy.

Originally posted by Bacon Overlord®:

Is that what the problem is? Iv'e never had an issue with frame gen before... but this mouse lag is crazy.

Yeah just turn off fram gen and turn on VSYNC

[IchigoMait]

Originally posted by IamDezire:

Turn off frame gen and use VSYNC. Its SO much better and doesnt have that problem.

If you have gsync or not you should always have vsync on (albeit vsync works differently when gsync is on or not), regardless if you have framegen on or not.

Also it does not replace framegen.
Framegen doubles the fps, that is if you don't get hardware throttled. Also it's only useful if you can get 30+ fps at least without using it.
And it's best used only if you have 60+fps and a 120+hz monitor, and using 120+hz resolution.

If you want less delay:
Limit your fps 2 fps below refresh rate
Use the highest refresh rate resolution
Enable reflex+boost. (dunno what amd has for that)
In nvidia control panel you can also force enable ultra low latency, basically reflex+boost, possibly works separately as it sets cpu frame prerending to 1 (hidden setting, visible in nvidiainspector), instead of using default value of 4.

[Bacon Overlord®]

Fix for my mouse issues was running in windowed borderless in 4K native resolution. Fixed the mouse issues immediately.

[TimmyP]

Originally posted by IchigoMait:

Originally posted by IamDezire:

Turn off frame gen and use VSYNC. Its SO much better and doesnt have that problem.

If you have gsync or not you should always have vsync on (albeit vsync works differently when gsync is on or not), regardless if you have framegen on or not.

Also it does not replace framegen.
Framegen doubles the fps, that is if you don't get hardware throttled. Also it's only useful if you can get 30+ fps at least without using it.
And it's best used only if you have 60+fps and a 120+hz monitor, and using 120+hz resolution.

If you want less delay:
Limit your fps 2 fps below refresh rate
Use the highest refresh rate resolution
Enable reflex+boost. (dunno what amd has for that)
In nvidia control panel you can also force enable ultra low latency, basically reflex+boost, possibly works separately as it sets cpu frame prerending to 1 (hidden setting, visible in nvidiainspector), instead of using default value of 4.

All false.

Framegen is dependent on frame TIME, not baseline fps. They just want you to believe this.

Dont believe me? I can show you Alan Wake 2 turn from 22fps to FIFTY at its hardest to run part, solely from the DLSS3 mod. It is indistinguishable from a direct fps gain, and this is all because that 22fps still runs absolutely flawless with regard to frame time. Wanna talk about an optimized game look at that one. It has real logic too.

DLSS3 forces reflex. It is supposed to be part of it, and was in original marketing materials. Only recently in the Stalker 2 trailer have they begun to imply they are seperate again. Without reflex, framegen is useless imo. With reflex, it is incredible. You will have less relative latency with DLSS3 because of reflex. With reflex on, 60fps to 90fps via framegen feels like 75fps input lag.

[longjohn119]

Originally posted by Zeriu:

Looking for help as frame gen us unusable for me. Enabling I get really bad mouse input delay.

Specs:
1440p Display
AMD Ryzen 5800x
Nvidia RTX 4070 Super
16GB RAM
Running on an SSD

Playing native I am getting an average FPS of 118-130. DLSS I get 150 and frame gen I get over 200 but then the games unplayable.

I am only playing the game on high preset settings.

Dude if you are already getting 118-130 FPS there is no need at all for Frame Generation. Frame Generation will always cause more input delay than native because of .... physics. It takes X amount of time to generate a frame. If you are getting 120 FPS with frame generation on then you input delay will be worse than if you were running 60 FPS native and there is no way around that even with Reflex. Reflex can only minimize input delay but it cannot eliminate it because time cannot go backwards.

[bruh]

turn of low latency in your geforce control panel. it can cause problems with the game giving you more input delay

[Zeriu]

I wanted to take advantage of the high refresh rate as I can only imagine the 119 I get on average will dip as the game progresses in more intense scenes of the game. The testing I've done is only the very beginning of the game so far.

[Blacksmith77K]

Originally posted by bruh:

turn of low latency in your geforce control panel. it can cause problems with the game giving you more input delay

Right, framegen will bugged out if you use low latency mode ON or ULTRA

Disable it in your control panel and it works how it should

[Zeriu]

Low latency is disabled in my nvidia cpanel and has never been enabled before.

[gamegpu]

4070 is a bit weak for gaming, especially with path tracing

https://en.gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/indiana-jones-and-the-great-circle-test-path-tracing

[RandalMcdaniel]

gamegpu i just ordered 4070ti super 16gb is that good?

[ChubbiChibbai]

Originally posted by RandalMcdaniel:

gamegpu i just ordered 4070ti super 16gb is that good?

Not really.
Honestly NVIDIA selling cards with such low VRAM is an absolute con.

I think most people think they are getting a good deal because its the latest gen rtx card but you are almost always better off spending the more money and getting the most VRAM. Modern games especially with GI, path tracing etc really rely on this so to buy a card with such a low amount of VRAM is just crazy to me. If you are gaming under 4K and aren't expecting crazy high fps then i'm sure it will be more than adequate.

I think people don't look at the specs they just see 'RTX 4xxxx' and the price and think they are getting a sweet deal.

Not to say its a terrible card. It has all the latest RTX features - but just temper your expectations and know that its a budget card which means it will have compromises made at the expense of performance.

[Sikklid]

FG is a fake frames gimmick. Thats why.

Extrapolation is similar to motion smoothing interpolation on your TV. This is why TVs have a gamemode that disables all of that by default. It cant even resolve unpredictable elements such as particles, smoke, leaves, rain, etc. and causes tons of stuttering - as well as massive input lag.