In its current state, can 7 Days to Die cause your CPU to run very hot?

[The Juggling Hamster]

I'm having some temperature issues and wondering if 7 Days to Die might be the possible culprit. Thank you for any help.

[The Juggling Hamster]

Nope...did it twice too, wondering if I had messed up applying the thermal paste. I'm guessing that my heatsink (closed loop water cooler included with the iBuyPower case has went bad)...strongly consdering getting a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (not water cooler).

If anyone has hints/tips, definately appreciate the help. Right now my 4 cores are running around the 80-85 degrees celcius and thats only with regular web browsing, so I'm guessing my heat sink is doing absolutely nothing to help at the moment.

I definately want to get back to playing and streaming 7 days to die, but in my rig's current condition its a definte no go.

I'm currently also using a first generation Intel Core i7-870 (Lynnfield) LGA 1156 Socket H setup.

[The Juggling Hamster]

Fyi, also noticed when I tried 7d2d current patch, my 'home base' was a modified house in a small town, apparently something in the patch reset the house back to before I had done anything to it (including storing my stuff in it... so 10+ secure stroage containers of hoarding...poof, gone. Oddly enough my character retained its current inventory in belt and backpack. No idea if anything can be recovered...I'm more concerned with my PC at the moment hehe.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

If you are running Hyperthreading, turn it off in the BIOS. It will cause the cores to run hotter than normal.

Remove the side of the case, find a small to medium size fan, point it at the open side and turn it on low/medium. Watch temps for a little while. Even cooling the air inside like that can help, if your heatsink isn't working at 100%.

I'm going to guess your pump is either not pushing water, or is clogged at the heatsink and getting no flow. It is actually hard to screw up thermal paste badly.

You can get away with underclocking your CPU a bit too, should save some more heat when you push it to game.

There's nothing wrong with water cooling, been doing it myself almost 12 years now. I use a 30 gallon demineralized water resevoir with 2 submerged pumps pushing two loops, GPUx2 and CPU. I cool it with a hydroponics chiller down to about 12 C (subambient), and the rig doesn't go over 30C at full load. It can run an entire day soaking up heat, and at night I cool it down with the Chiller.

Water can be highly effective, but it needs just as much maintenance (or more) as active air cooling.

You can check your closed loop pump by lightly touching it while it is running - if you feel a slight vibration the impeller is at least -trying- to push liquid around. If there's nothing, it may have stopped and you are simply heating still water behind the heatsink, which over prolonged time will have a bad effect on the CPU.

Double check that and get a new cooling system soon if possible. Your CPU will thank you and live a longer life.

[anarchyxf36]

Jaga's right as far as cooling and good air flow being important goes, however the one thing he seriously neglects to mention is that directX 11 rendering is a hell of a lot more intense then rendering something in directx 9 which is where most of your "heat" is generated from. Between DirectX 9 rendering and DirectX11 rendering it's about a 10 - 20 degree farenheight difference in temperatures.



Another thing he neglects to mention is that external ambient room temperatures ALSO play a major factor in how hot your system runs as well as cooler ambient room temperatures means essentially cooler air being circulated through your system.



Third thing he neglected to mention is general cleanliness and space around your tower. If your case is enclosed in a cabinet even with an open back your still not drawing enough sufficent external air into the case itself which restricts internal airflow and essentially "recirculates" the existing hot air inside the case itself. Second part of this is the fact that if you have crap cluttered around your case it's essentially restricting or even blocking air flow into the case itself.



Last thing i can think of from my experiences is the fact that overclocking also generates excessive heat weather it's factory overclocked or user overclocked. Best solution for this would actually be to turn down the memory clock settings for your graphics card.


Also i would like to say Jaga is that you should never ever ever and i mean EVER open the side of a PC case when in operation as it destroys the internal air flow that is cruicial for PC cooling. You can turn a PC off in order to "Piggy Back" a couple of fans inside of a case to improve air flow but one thing you never want to ever do is open the side of the case unless absolutely necessary (i.e. Internal fire due to overheating, ect.)

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Publicado originalmente por anarchyxf36:

Also i would like to say Jaga is that you should never ever ever and i mean EVER open the side of a PC case when in operation as it destroys the internal air flow that is cruicial for PC cooling. You can turn a PC off in order to "Piggy Back" a couple of fans inside of a case to improve air flow but one thing you never want to ever do is open the side of the case unless absolutely necessary (i.e. Internal fire due to overheating, ect.)

Heh, I've been overclocking computers and boards since I got my first 28.8k modem and needed some additional cache on it. That was back in '96 or so. My current case has capability for 12 90mm fans, and yet I only run two with the case cover off, due to watercooling.

I don't throw out recommendations willy-nilly - I'm a professional in IT by trade, have been one for the last two decades. Worked in a data center, built more rigs for myself and friends than I care to even remember. Right now I own my own IT business doing support.

So you don't have to worry when I make a recommendation that is a dangerous one. They aren't.

I didn't neglect to say anything about his situation:

1. DirectX is supposed to be just as efficient as DX9. It really isn't, but it won't drive the CPU temps up higher. Perhaps the GPU, but that isn't the problem here.
   
2. The room temp isn't that big a deal this time of year, anywhere in the world really. People typically have moderate temps right now, so ambient isn't a factor in his problem. It absolutely isn't when you consider his radiator isn't getting new hot water to cool - it is cooking in the tubes, literally.
   
3. The space around the tower also isn't a big factor, due to him having a closed-loop water cooling solution that just isn't running. That's where the fan pointing inside the case helps for testing temps and the ability to take heat off the CPU, temporarily.
   
4. I already mentioned underclocking the CPU. Underclocking the GPU doesn't help him.
   
5. Already addressed the side of the case. It is a good test, and pertinent to see if his inoperable water cooling solution can hold him over long enough to go buy a replacement.

Funny though how many people in the last week or two come out of the woodwork when a patch lands, and try and correct the tech support I give.

[Mersch]

*grabs popcorn* TECH FIGHT!!!!!!!!

[Mersch]

I've taken the cover off my rig repeatedly and no fire here. Not water cooled and have 8 fans plus cpu blowing like a tornado.

[NoXPhasma]

Publicado originalmente por Jᴧgᴧ:

Yeah, 90 is danger zone. Any higher and it'll consider melting for real.

Nah, 90°C is absolutely fine for a GPU. Would be a danger zone for CPU but not a GPU. You can go up to 105°C on a GPU without getting in the danger zone.

And you won't melt a CPU/GPU at a temperature about 100°C, you would need to add at least 1000°C more for that. The melt point of silicon is at 1414°C ;)

But the capacitors will suffer damage at temperatures above 120°C or so.

Here's a quote of the Nvidia Helpdesk:

NVIDIA GPUs are designed to operate reliably up to their maximum specified operating temperature. This maximum temperature varies by GPU, but is generally in the 105C range (refer to the nvidia.com product page for individual GPU specifications).

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2752/~/nvidia-gpu-maximum-operating-temperature-and-overheating

[Thylbanus]

i5 4670K OCed to 4.2 GHz - stock fan
GTX 770 2Gb
16 Gb Corsair RAM
MSI Z87-G45

CPU Ave - 62ºC MAX - 68ºC
GPU Ave - 61ºC MAX - 64ºC

[Jenkins]

Still hope for a tip on turning off the dynamic lighting somewhere

[anarchyxf36]

Publicado originalmente por Jᴧgᴧ:

Publicado originalmente por anarchyxf36:

Also i would like to say Jaga is that you should never ever ever and i mean EVER open the side of a PC case when in operation as it destroys the internal air flow that is cruicial for PC cooling. You can turn a PC off in order to "Piggy Back" a couple of fans inside of a case to improve air flow but one thing you never want to ever do is open the side of the case unless absolutely necessary (i.e. Internal fire due to overheating, ect.)

Heh, I've been overclocking computers and boards since I got my first 28.8k modem and needed some additional cache on it. That was back in '96 or so. My current case has capability for 12 90mm fans, and yet I only run two with the case cover off, due to watercooling.

I don't throw out recommendations willy-nilly - I'm a professional in IT by trade, have been one for the last two decades. Worked in a data center, built more rigs for myself and friends than I care to even remember. Right now I own my own IT business doing support.

So you don't have to worry when I make a recommendation that is a dangerous one. They aren't.

I didn't neglect to say anything about his situation:

1. DirectX is supposed to be just as efficient as DX9. It really isn't, but it won't drive the CPU temps up higher. Perhaps the GPU, but that isn't the problem here.
   
2. The room temp isn't that big a deal this time of year, anywhere in the world really. People typically have moderate temps right now, so ambient isn't a factor in his problem. It absolutely isn't when you consider his radiator isn't getting new hot water to cool - it is cooking in the tubes, literally.
   
3. The space around the tower also isn't a big factor, due to him having a closed-loop water cooling solution that just isn't running. That's where the fan pointing inside the case helps for testing temps and the ability to take heat off the CPU, temporarily.
   
4. I already mentioned underclocking the CPU. Underclocking the GPU doesn't help him.
   
5. Already addressed the side of the case. It is a good test, and pertinent to see if his inoperable water cooling solution can hold him over long enough to go buy a replacement.

Funny though how many people in the last week or two come out of the woodwork when a patch lands, and try and correct the tech support I give.

As i said i agree for the most part on a lot of the reccomendations you gave, and i am not "correcting" it i simply was adding to it. However that increase in GPU temp means higher CPU temps given that heat rises as airflow travels from bottom to top of the case. any pockets of stagnent air trapped inside the case due to poor airflow will also increase internal temps.


And yes underclocking a GPU can and does help with internal temps. Don't believe me, try it for yourself if you have an internal temp monitor. And also YES ambient temps are a major factor as well as external space around the case for ample air flow and to also keep internal temps down as well due to A - GPU's running cooler due to cooler air and also sufficent enough airflow passing through the case due to external exhaust fan heat dissapation. B - Colder ambient room temps means colder air passing and being pushed through the case internally thus lowering temps as well.


Oh and by the way Jaga i may not be a professional tech however make no mistake i do have at LEAST 16 years or so of building my own custom built desktop PCs specifically geared for gaming under my belt. Not to mention the fact that during that entire time i never once had to rely on any form of tech support what so ever for any problems i have faced thus far.


By the way if you don't believe me on that whole directX11 vs DirectX 9 raising internal temps, Do your own experiementation paying very close attention to interal temps... You'll be surprised by the results that they are exactly as i said they were.

[Jenkins]

I also can't seem to get radeon pro to work with 7DTD. With Radpro on, 7DTD won't launch. Any thoughts?

[Frutz]

I know my GPU runs hot but I believe that is design but my CPU which is overclocked does not. I use one of those self contained corsair water cooled systems and I really think they help a lot and are really easy to set up. They have the added benefit of decreasing clutter in your case which helps for airflow.

I also have my small piece of plywood that I sit my tower on instead of on the carpet as a smooth flat surface generates better airflow for underneath the case. I don't know if all cases do so but mine will pull air for underneath so that is why it's important.

Applying new thermal paste can help but I was under the impression that if you did it incorrectly you could actually make things worse so I did not apply new thermal paste to anything with the exception of when I was installing the corsair water cooler.

You can get the modest sized corsair water cooler system on newegg for around 50.00 usually after rebates.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Publicado originalmente por Olthoi:

I also can't seem to get radeon pro to work with 7DTD. With Radpro on, 7DTD won't launch. Any thoughts?

You need to use the -force-d3d9 command line argument with the game. That will enable RadeonPro to work.

Publicado originalmente por NoXPhasma:

Publicado originalmente por Jᴧgᴧ:

Yeah, 90 is danger zone. Any higher and it'll consider melting for real.

Nah, 90°C is absolutely fine for a GPU. Would be a danger zone for CPU but not a GPU. You can go up to 105°C on a GPU without getting in the danger zone.

And you won't melt a CPU/GPU at a temperature about 100°C, you would need to add at least 1000°C more for that. The melt point of silicon is at 1414°C ;)

We weren't talking about temps on a GPU, but rather temps on a CPU. That's why it was a danger zone. And I was mostly joking about melting for real - though CPUs can burn out and be unrecoverable.

[anarchyxf36]

Publicado originalmente por Jᴧgᴧ:

We weren't talking about temps on a GPU, but rather temps on a CPU. That's why it was a danger zone. And I was mostly joking about melting for real - though CPUs can burn out and be unrecoverable.

Oh. Yea i was talking about temps in general vs airflow when referring to cooling in general and including both CPU and GPU and how it effects it.

Personally i never got in to water cooling my system as i happen to know first hand that water vs electronics never ends well if there is a leak, and given how expensive systems can be i didn't feel like taking the risk and something going horribly wrong. I looked in to water cooling years ago when it was skitchy and a brand new technique for cooling at best. I know in the last few years though they have made decent strides in the water cooling market, with stuff ranging from better pumps/systems to electronic safe non water based liquid coolants that actually don't corrode water cooling units as much as they used to.

I also know that in todays computers partly from experience and also from seeing what others have done that it's no longer a case of stuff gets too hot and "melts" thus making hardware inneffective but it's actually a case these days where if your system gets too hot it actually catches fire. Mainly i've seen this happen with GPUs that get too hot due to inefficent system cooling and lack of air flow. I know from planning on upgrading my system from what i've seen is that water cooling is actually becoming a factory standard for cooling as both CPU/APU's and GPUs alike are getting too hot for specifically fans to be able to handle cooling requirements.

As far as knowing about DX9 vs DX11 raising internal case temps i know this first hand as given that i currently do not water cool my system it's easier for someone like myself to take notice of this.

The case i run currently is the Apevia X-Plorer 2 (mainly because i do plan on making the jump to liquid cooling when i upgrade my system within the next month or two and this case supports it by having an inlet and outlet rubber grommet for water cooling systems in the rear.) But i run 1 x 120mm front intake, 1 x 200mm side intake, 3 x 120mm rear and top exhaust fans. For this case specifically and with 2 radeon HD 5770's and an AMD Phenom II X4 3.4 ghz I'm able to run the game at a solid 90*F internal case temp consistantly @ 1080P settings while getting 45FPS avg.