we still need a means to farm honey..

[Cryght]

i remember back when we had access to the hive blocks. that produced honey overtime sure they also produced really EVIL flying bugs. but that was a bonus on pvp servers using the hive blocs as a sort of alarm system. but where it is now i have to look all over for tree stumps.. i wish we could craft a bee hive to collect honey over time.

[jynx]

It wouldn't take much to implement in vanilla, since there's already an apiary POI. There are also plenty of mods, even back as far as A12. The Oak Raven mod actually has modeled hives in stumps and the ability to craft your own hives.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

yeah currently there are three ways to get honey other than random food/medical piles.

Buy it, find it in a stump, or get lucky and find the book that makes trees randomly drop it.

The book is stupid rare and the drop rate from stumps is pretty bad too.

[Sierra]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

yeah currently there are three ways to get honey other than random food/medical piles.

Buy it, find it in a stump, or get lucky and find the book that makes trees randomly drop it.

The book is stupid rare and the drop rate from stumps is pretty bad too.

That's right. But then again... if you farm wood (with the book) you always get a few. Or I'm just extremely lucky xD

[Crater Creator]

Hive blocks that produce honey over time? I started on Alpha 12 and I never saw that in vanilla. I saw the giant zombie bees, but they were just the placeholder flying enemy.

Now as a survival fan, I’d be happy if honey was an important food source or at least a salient resource. I suspect survival is why things like honey and mushrooms made it into the game in the first place. But with the current gameplay, honey becomes moot when you can craft two types of antibiotics that are more effective.

[FSHerrante]

Since the devs focused the game on having almost everything work around the vendor and looting; Every other mechanic related to resource production was simplified or simply removed.

[Pain Weasel]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

yeah currently there are three ways to get honey other than random food/medical piles.

Buy it, find it in a stump, or get lucky and find the book that makes trees randomly drop it.

The book is stupid rare and the drop rate from stumps is pretty bad too.

Salvage Operations increases the drop rate for the Wasteland Treasures perk books.

Even if you aren't planning on doing a lot of salvaging it is worth putting at least one point in that skill since the Wasteland Treasures perk book is so useful. I almost always put one of my points from the tutorial in Salvage Ops just to make sure I get Wasteland Treasures books as soon as possible.

As far as honey goes though, after the first few days (maybe a week at most) you should be able to make herbal antibiotics in a camp fire. After that point you really don't need honey any more.

[HondaRadio]

Add 'Oakraven Bee Hives' you can farm them, make different hives, find queens etc. It is part of 'Preppocalypse' overhaul I think which has loads of great farming stuff like chicken coops and eggs.

[ChumSickle]

Add chickens to this list...Rekt already chicken houses, let us have one so we can raise chickens for eggs or meat.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by FSHerrante:

Since the devs focused the game on having almost everything work around the vendor and looting; Every other mechanic related to resource production was simplified or simply removed.

Pretty sad what this game has become... while it looks better than it did back around A14/15 the bulk of the current game mechanics and progression systems are absolutely horrible.

[𝓝𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓸𝓫𝓸𝓲]

Originally posted by FSHerrante:

Since the devs focused the game on having almost everything work around the vendor and looting; Every other mechanic related to resource production was simplified or simply removed.

Honestly, yeah.

Quests, traders and dungeon style POIs are the main focus and foundational content now.

Quite sad, animal farming would have went a LONG way for longevity in 7DTD. We could use more (optional) side systems to interact with; even if they're relatively basic at first. I mean, we already have dew collectors. Just make chicken coops/beehives similar and then flesh them out into more robust systems later.

RIP hornets/hives.

[FSHerrante]

Originally posted by 𝓝𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓸𝓫𝓸𝓲:

Originally posted by FSHerrante:

Since the devs focused the game on having almost everything work around the vendor and looting; Every other mechanic related to resource production was simplified or simply removed.

Honestly, yeah.

Quests, traders and dungeon style POIs are the main focus and foundational content now.

Quite sad, animal farming would have went a LONG way for longevity in 7DTD. We could use more (optional) side systems to interact with; even if they're relatively basic at first. I mean, we already have dew collectors. Just make chicken coops/beehives similar and then flesh them out into more robust systems later.

RIP hornets/hives.

The dew collector could have been a good idea... If only they hadn't implemented it in such a generic and awful way after removing something that was already present in the game: empty jars.

An example from another game Humanitz added the rain collector 1 year ago. It worked exactly the same as 7DTD's dew collector. The dev of that other game realized that it was a complete mess and modified it so that it would fill up with water when it rained and you could collect that water with empty bottles that you placed in it.

The development of 7DTD has been going through a rough patch for years, but the current mess is particularly noticeable. It's all too obvious that someone is introducing ideas into the gameplay that are harming it.

I don't think we'll see anything like what you're talking about if it's not... of course in a mod. They are taking on a role they shouldn't: bringing back removed features to the game that should never have been removed.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by FSHerrante:

The dew collector could have been a good idea... If only they hadn't implemented it in such a generic and awful way after removing something that was already present in the game: empty jars.

An example from another game Humanitz added the rain collector 1 year ago. It worked exactly the same as 7DTD's dew collector. The dev of that other game realized that it was a complete mess and modified it so that it would fill up with water when it rained and you could collect that water with empty bottles that you placed in it.

The development of 7DTD has been going through a rough patch for years, but the current mess is particularly noticeable. It's all too obvious that someone is introducing ideas into the gameplay that are harming it.

I don't think we'll see anything like what you're talking about if it's not... of course in a mod. They are taking on a role they shouldn't: bringing back removed features to the game that should never have been removed.

I also have no issues with the addition of the dew/rain collector - it's the removal of the very sensible alternative that really bothers me.

Absolutely right, this game has been going through a rough patch for a while and the current mess is a big issue. Both are 100% TFP's fault and were 100% preventable...

As for the OP's suggestion to add a honey production system I think they could add a way to construct bee hives and harvest honey easily (I mean... we already have a honey "farm" POI for cryin' out loud), and with the right tweaks it could be balanced properly.

[teltow]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

find the book that makes trees randomly drop it

Didn't play since A19 and was wondering why I get honey from chopping regular trees down =D I thought it was a nice update, since you don't get much honey from the stumps or loot.

[Blue Hasia]

by mid game im swimming in honey, once you get the perk find honey when chopping trees you get honey with no effort

[teltow]

I'm at 35 now. Got over 20 from around 200 self planted trees. Big construction project =)