new eula for old copys

[unhinged takes]

bruh what the ♥♥♥♥, why are you trying to change the terms of agreement we had already when we first bought the game. and yes it hard locks you into forcing you to accept the new terms of service before you can play.

absolute scam.

[Raithon]

You agreed to the terms, and the terms included the possibility of change. If you don't agree, then you don't get access to participate in the product.

All pretty standard. Nothing special here.

[unhinged takes]

Originally posted by Raithon:

You agreed to the terms, and the terms included the possibility of change. If you don't agree, then you don't get access to participate in the product.

All pretty standard. Nothing special here.

i never signed one to begin with. i bought this game when it first came on steam and unless there was a hidden one tied to buying it i sure as hell didnt sign one.

[TheChoccoBiccy09]

What’s your concern with signing the EULA OP? I haven’t read it myself, but I can’t imagine it’s anything to different from the usual business talk rubbish.

[unhinged takes]

Originally posted by TheChoccoBiccy09:

What’s your concern with signing the EULA OP? I haven’t read it myself, but I can’t imagine it’s anything to different from the usual business talk rubbish.

stuff about revoking licenses if your copy is used on multiple pcs

which i do. as I travel for work and have a travel laptop i play on as well as a home desktop

[Crown]

That's concerning as I plan on getting a steam deck.

This has put a sour taste in my mouth. I don't even want this game on my pc anymore.

[TheChoccoBiccy09]

Originally posted by unhinged takes:

Originally posted by TheChoccoBiccy09:

What’s your concern with signing the EULA OP? I haven’t read it myself, but I can’t imagine it’s anything to different from the usual business talk rubbish.

stuff about revoking licenses if your copy is used on multiple pcs

which i do. as I travel for work and have a travel laptop i play on as well as a home desktop

Fair enough, that is pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Let’s just hope they are good people and don’t act upon it.

[Sharkbait]

Originally posted by unhinged takes:

Originally posted by TheChoccoBiccy09:

What’s your concern with signing the EULA OP? I haven’t read it myself, but I can’t imagine it’s anything to different from the usual business talk rubbish.

stuff about revoking licenses if your copy is used on multiple pcs

which i do. as I travel for work and have a travel laptop i play on as well as a home desktop

Probably concerning something with using family account on multiple computer OR attempting to utilize a bought copy with another account that doesn't have the game on that account. Ofc I haven't read it myself but UELA is standard to all games and basically, You buy a game and boot it you are automatically agreeing to TOS.

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by TheChoccoBiccy09:

Originally posted by unhinged takes:

stuff about revoking licenses if your copy is used on multiple pcs

which i do. as I travel for work and have a travel laptop i play on as well as a home desktop

Fair enough, that is pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Let’s just hope they are good people and don’t act upon it.

I'm more than a bit wary of the general idea of organisations unilaterally assigning themselves arbitrary changes in power and then hoping they don't use the changes.

Of course it gets muddier when multiple organisations are involved (as they will be in this case - TFP aren't lawyers, they hire lawyers). Who knows where the change actually came from?

Then there's interested 3rd parties. Valve, in this case. If the EULA for a game requires a person to buy it twice to be allowed to play it on their PC and on their Steam deck, that makes Valve indirectly involved. Would it affects sales of the Steam deck, for example? I think it would.

[Kara]

Originally posted by TheChoccoBiccy09:

What’s your concern with signing the EULA OP? I haven’t read it myself, but I can’t imagine it’s anything to different from the usual business talk rubbish.

You should really really read it. It's not hard to do. All EULA and TOS are broken up into sections. This game has one of the worst EULAs ever written that I know of, next to Asian brands stealing data to sell.

I remember when you bought a game, you OWNED your copy of the game to play as much as you so choose! These devs are saying "agree to annnnything we say that violates your ownership of your data and very own PC, or you no longer get to play the game you PURCHASED".

I will not be buying anything else from these guys. No "merch" they peddle in the very long loading title screen, no other projects, nothing. These guys girl bossed too close to the sun. They think they can do whatever they want to their customers now. Total God complex.

Anyways, I've said too much. Just make sure you read these contracts mkay?

[TheChoccoBiccy09]

Originally posted by Kara:

Originally posted by TheChoccoBiccy09:

What’s your concern with signing the EULA OP? I haven’t read it myself, but I can’t imagine it’s anything to different from the usual business talk rubbish.

You should really really read it. It's not hard to do. All EULA and TOS are broken up into sections. This game has one of the worst EULAs ever written that I know of, next to Asian brands stealing data to sell.

I remember when you bought a game, you OWNED your copy of the game to play as much as you so choose! These devs are saying "agree to annnnything we say that violates your ownership of your data and very own PC, or you no longer get to play the game you PURCHASED".

I will not be buying anything else from these guys. No "merch" they peddle in the very long loading title screen, no other projects, nothing. These guys girl bossed too close to the sun. They think they can do whatever they want to their customers now. Total God complex.

Anyways, I've said too much. Just make sure you read these contracts mkay?

If it was something major, like buying a new car then yeah, I'm reading all the fine print, but for something like buying a game? Not going to bother with it.

Yes I know the terms aren't ideal and that I've likely, unknowingly signed my soul to them after I die (if not them, then some other company). I've accepted that all my personal data is almost certainly somewhere on the internet.

But do I find these things impactful enough in my day to day life? No, as far as I'm concerned, nobody cares about my personal data enough to threaten me with it (or other devious acts) and the only thing I can realistically say has come from agreeing to all these EULA's is annoying, personalised adds on youtube.

I'm not excusing all these undertakings from these companies, it's immoral what they can write in these contracts, but what am I gonna do about it? If I truly cared about all this and my data, I would chuck out my computer, phone and disconnect my internet from my house.

Of course each to there own.

[DthBlayde]

probably has something to do with the changes Unity tried enacting, where devs would have to pay a licensing fee every time a Unity based game was installed. Or reinstalled. Didn't matter. Not sure how that all ended but I thiiiiiiiiiink the gist was it wouldnt affect existing owners (grandfather clause) , and only new purchases going forward.

edit: original discussion thread here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/251570/discussions/9/3873714328953500478/

[Odyne69]

Originally posted by Crown:

That's concerning as I plan on getting a steam deck.

This has put a sour taste in my mouth. I don't even want this game on my pc anymore.

Agreed. I mean, if a customer has bought the game, it shouldn't be an issue. Sounds extremely selfish and shady on behalf of TFP. Just another way to grab cash if they can pull it off.

[unhinged takes]

Originally posted by DthBlayde:

probably has something to do with the changes Unity tried enacting, where devs would have to pay a licensing fee every time a Unity based game was installed. Or reinstalled. Didn't matter. Not sure how that all ended but I thiiiiiiiiiink the gist was it wouldnt affect existing owners (grandfather clause) , and only new purchases going forward.

edit: original discussion thread here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/251570/discussions/9/3873714328953500478/

this makes waaay more sense. i forgot unity killed themselves like that.

[Crater Creator]

With the caveat that I am not a lawyer, technically I believe you could revert to an earlier alpha, e.g. the one that was available when you bought the game. Then you could play that version without accepting the new EULA. You would still be accepting the EULA that came with that version though. At no point was there not an EULA to accept.

Originally posted by Kara:

I remember when you bought a game, you OWNED your copy of the game to play as much as you so choose! These devs are saying "agree to annnnything we say that violates your ownership of your data and very own PC, or you no longer get to play the game you PURCHASED".

Do you actually have an example of a computer game that you legally “own”? Because I’ve looked at agreements going back to eighties games, and it is always “licensed, not sold.” It is a license agreement, after all. Sorry to be pedantic but on this point of not owning the game, 7DtD is like every other game on Steam.

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Originally posted by unhinged takes:

bruh what the ♥♥♥♥, why are you trying to change the terms of agreement we had already when we first bought the game. and yes it hard locks you into forcing you to accept the new terms of service before you can play.

Even if it's for the same game tittle:
- First time, it's for a game version early access.
- Second time, it's for the game version release...

Originally posted by unhinged takes:

stuff about revoking licenses if your copy is used on multiple pcs

which i do. as I travel for work and have a travel laptop i play on as well as a home desktop

You can don't care about this because you need to login to Steam to can play & mostly because all your games are in inked to your profil Steam whatever where you will go in the world & not really with the PC that you use the first time that you launch any games...

When you use a different PC, just need to valid your new localisation PC by a code received on your email (but if I am not wrong, that need actived Steam Guard).