Fun Pimps! Cigar is too OP, it stacks with STR mod. NERF IT NOW

[Vincefeld]

I know you love nerfing things so this item combo that lets you get away with 8/10 STR and save 6 levels needs to go.

[James]

But if you install the strength mod then you can't install the treasure hunter mod that gives you a 10% xp and a 5% loot stage bonus.

I agree, it is ridiculous though. You can essentially get 6 free skill points + 10% bartering by simply installing these two items.

[william_es]

This is easy to fix for both of you. Everytime you find a cigar, just... throw it away.

It doesn't need to be removed from the game entirely. Just from your games. So just throw all your cigars away, and stop trying to change it for everyone else. Eazy Peazy.

[James]

Originally posted by william_es:

This is easy to fix for both of you. Everytime you find a cigar, just... throw it away.

Yeah we'll do that with every other item in the game too and pretend it doesn't exist, instead of the devs fixing an exploit. What a dumb comment.

[Vincefeld]

Originally posted by James:

But if you install the strength mod then you can't install the treasure hunter mod that gives you a 10% xp and a 5% loot stage bonus.

what is more important? having marginal loot bonus or last fifth point in shotgun/club that will buff dps a lot? especially on warrior+ where zombies are fat.

[Shintai]

Originally posted by william_es:

This is easy to fix for both of you. Everytime you find a cigar, just... throw it away.

It doesn't need to be removed from the game entirely. Just from your games. So just throw all your cigars away, and stop trying to change it for everyone else. Eazy Peazy.

Just dont use it, just use mods, just do everything but play the broken vanilla game ;)

[william_es]

It's hard to take these troll posts seriously.

The OP knows the fun pimps do NOT read these forums. They have their own forums on their own website. They even have a feature submission board, where people can upvote features they want. They aren't coming here for anything.

[onanonehand8]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Limdood]

incorrect argument anyhow. It isn't 6 levels, it's 3. If the items didn't stack, you wouldn't use ONE of them, meaning 1 strength level, which is 3 points.

so, what's the value here....is 10% xp, 5% loot bonus, and a -1 treasure radius worth 3 levels?

Maybe? I think it would be for some people, and wouldn't be for others....which is exactly where the balance SHOULD lie for an item you need to make a value judgement.

Is the cigar itself very powerful? absolutely, but it's more the 10% trade buff than the strength, since you can get strength from a head slot already. The fact that they stack is certainly notable. It does make cigar a contender for top headslot item, but not by such a huge margin that it needs immediate destruction.

[Philco7a]

they took the cigarettes out of 1.0 that were still in Alpha21. you could find them in creative menu by searching. If you clicked and read about them, then close the "u" menu and went to game. All the loot bags had cigarettes for awhile. Miss the ole cigarettes...shame they deleted them for 1.0. lol

[thestile]

I don't much care one way or the other but I suppose it would be more fair to take the strength part off the cigar, maybe.

The thing is: the strength bonus is good for all the builds because it lets everyone mine with ease if they have the mining set plus 2 helmet strength items. Everyone can easily mine for a big base with this bonus for mining perks.

It does benefit the strength build disproportionately but, it also allows all the builds to be good miners without having to dedicate as many points.

I think strength is a little underwhelming as it is. The heavy armor perks aren't that good, the cooking perks suck. Mining perks offer nothing in combat. I think strength line could use a boost honestly.

Edit: Pack mule is also not much good IMO.

[CoffeeLover]

Originally posted by william_es:

This is easy to fix for both of you. Everytime you find a cigar, just... throw it away.

It doesn't need to be removed from the game entirely. Just from your games. So just throw all your cigars away, and stop trying to change it for everyone else. Eazy Peazy.

Yeah, I don't understand players that call for nerfs. If you don't want to use it, don't. Why ruin it for players that do want to use it? Like the posts that you shouldn't find an iron pickaxe at level 2 (or something similar). If you want a harder game, scrap it.

[william_es]

Originally posted by CoffeeLover:

Yeah, I don't understand players that call for nerfs. If you don't want to use it, don't. Why ruin it for players that do want to use it? Like the posts that you shouldn't find an iron pickaxe at level 2 (or something similar). If you want a harder game, scrap it.

Clown badge farming. The OP got one. So, not a very effective troll there. Pretty low skill effort.

[Yarblatt]

Originally posted by Vincefeld:

Originally posted by James:

But if you install the strength mod then you can't install the treasure hunter mod that gives you a 10% xp and a 5% loot stage bonus.

what is more important? having marginal loot bonus or last fifth point in shotgun/club that will buff dps a lot? especially on warrior+ where zombies are fat.

You lost me at dps. ♥♥♥♥.

[Panic Fire]

Originally posted by Yarblatt:

Originally posted by Vincefeld:

what is more important? having marginal loot bonus or last fifth point in shotgun/club that will buff dps a lot? especially on warrior+ where zombies are fat.

You lost me at dps. ♥♥♥♥.

What do you think horde day is but a dps test vs mobs and your base defenses?

[James]

Originally posted by Limdood:

incorrect argument anyhow. It isn't 6 levels, it's 3.

It is 6 levels. You get one skill point per level and it takes 3 skill points to reach level 9 in strength and another 3 skill points to reach level 10.

The cigar and strength mod give you a +1 in strength, which saves you from having to level up 6 times and spending 6 skill points to max out strength.

Originally posted by Limdood:

If the items didn't stack....

But they do stack and that's the flaw.