dont get empty bottles back after drinking water (experimental)

[Pepster]

Is this an intentional feature?
If do I think it's terrible and I do not like it at all.
It also straight up doesn't make sense

[thestile]

Yes, its a feature of A21. No bottles or cans anymore.
It has been a controversial change:)

[Crashtian]

"Is this an intentional feature?"

Yes.

"If do I think it's terrible and I do not like it at all."

Disliking it is a personal choice you're free to have!, but elaborating on why it's terrible with out going into your third statement of why it doesn't make sense, would be helpful if your goal is to provide feedback. :)

"It also straight up doesn't make sense"

This is personally subjective as well. It "makes sense" in relation to all other containers in the game and how they worked. it does not "make sense" in relation to real life and the ability to reuse bottles. If this particular feature prevents you from suspending your disbelief, well, it is indeed going to be unfun for you I suppose, but I wouldn't expect bottles back before the next major alpha. (I don't expect them back at all though)

cheers. Hopefully it doesn't break the game for you.

[Pepster]

if you drink water from a bottle a bottle doesn't magically disappear nor do you consume the glass, that would kill you.
so that the glass bottle just disappears makes no logical sense at all.
Why I think its no fun is because its add a constant need to search for water which is keeping me from doing the more exciting stuff in the game.
It makes the early game needlessly harder then it needs to be

[JimmyIowa]

Quick n dirty guide:

Day 1-2, doing quickie tier 1 trader jobs nets plenty of murky water in kitchens and bathrooms, and you can buy a cooking pot with the reward money if you don't find one.

Day 3-7 - sometime in this period you will likely find or buy or get rewarded a helmet water filter mod which pretty much solves all your drinking water problems. It lets you drink infinitely from any creek or pond with your hand at no penalty.

After week 1 - dew collectors or boiling murky water provides the bottled water you need for cooking stews or whatever.

I started out thinking it was harsh for like one game day (1 hour) then realized it's not bad at all, pretty easy, just different than a20.

[thestile]

Originally posted by Pepster:

if you drink water from a bottle a bottle doesn't magically disappear nor do you consume the glass, that would kill you.
so that the glass bottle just disappears makes no logical sense at all.
Why I think its no fun is because its add a constant need to search for water which is keeping me from doing the more exciting stuff in the game.
It makes the early game needlessly harder then it needs to be

True that it makes the early game harder but that's what they are going for, and I get why some people don't like it. But it's supposed to be a survival-ly element to make water a bit of an issue.

I'm not judging your opinion though because we all want different things.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Pepster:

Why I think its no fun is because its add a constant need to search for water which is keeping me from doing the more exciting stuff in the game.
It makes the early game needlessly harder then it needs to be

Which is why this change was made, the early game was way too easy/fast.
You now can construct "Dew Collectors" for the outside of your base that produce around 3 fresh water a day each on normal speed.
Also all traders now sell water and have vending machines selling water.

Its really not that big of a deal, just a way to slow down the early game.
Until now water never was any kind of issue with endless jars and just cooking tons of water right from the start.

[Crashtian]

Originally posted by Pepster:

if you drink water from a bottle a bottle doesn't magically disappear nor do you consume the glass.

I realize that, but the bottle for purified water has been disappearing forever. The gasoline canisters disappear, bowls disappear, food wrappers disappear, flasks disappear, black strap coffee cups disappear. Bullet casings disappear.

Every container in the game you can pick up appears when you find it with something inside, and disappears when it does not have anything inside. Heck half the lootable containers explode from reality now, when you loot them and they no longer have anything inside.

So as far as the video game world logic goes? It makes sense.

Does it make sense in a "I should be able to make a container and collect water because that's how it works in real life" sense? no.


You search for water while looting and killing zombies, I kind of think that's more fun to do in a zombie survival craft than running to the lake and then waiting for my water to boil. but that's my subjective opinion.

[Gnasty Gnorc]

Water isn’t hard to find. The change, while weird, doesn’t really do much to hurt the player. You just don’t like resource management.

[Tanaka Khan]

Originally posted by Pepster:

so that the glass bottle just disappears makes no logical sense at all.

And being able to carry 1000's of logs and tons of stone and iron around is logical?

[[STD]Random Lead]

Originally posted by Pepster:

if you drink water from a bottle a bottle doesn't magically disappear nor do you consume the glass, that would kill you.
so that the glass bottle just disappears makes no logical sense at all.
Why I think its no fun is because its add a constant need to search for water which is keeping me from doing the more exciting stuff in the game.
It makes the early game needlessly harder then it needs to be

If you want logical gameplay why are you playing a zombie game? Logically speaking zombies absolutely cannot exist. Illogically they can by the game worlds rules. By those rules bottles disappear now. You should be full stacking water before the day 7 horde and that is without a dew collector. Once you get 1 water is no longer an issue.

[Danson]

Eating various stews don't give pots back, eating bacon and eggs doesn't give a plate back. There are plenty of examples of "not making logical sense" because this is a video game. About zombies. Get over yourself!

[GhostSurfer]

Just wait, the next update this week will make the water jars explode in your hand.

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Originally posted by Pepster:

Is this an intentional feature?
If do I think it's terrible and I do not like it at all.
It also straight up doesn't make sense

So, what? Will you stop playing because of this?

What about putting your vehicles in your pockets?
Does that make sense?

What about carrying (literal) tons of materials in your backpack?
Does that make sense?

I can't, for the life of me, understand why some players can live with some absurd game mechanics, and not others. Is it because this specific feature does not favor you?

I wonder...

[Pepster]

honestly initially I didn't like it all and neither did my friends.
But now that we are established I have to say that I think its actually a positive change.
We weren't aware of the new dew collector and thus thought we would simply always have to look and stockpile water and other drinks.
Since this is not the case, the added difficulty does make starting out more challenging in a fun way.

Thanks for every one who stayed respectful
The rest... not so much

[The Giving One]

Yea, I get what you are saying, and it's a shared opinion by many players other than yourself.

To me, honestly, it's funny to have "dew" collectors, as when it rains, you could collect enough water for days and days. All you would need is one of those plastic drums to catch it in, and the funnel device, such as a tarp or similar, like the collectors appear now.

Collect and boil away, which would make more sense, but of course, this adds in to the element of challenge that the Pimps are going for.

EDIT.....

Well, of course, it rains differently in some biomes and not so in the desert as far as I am aware, so there is that issue, but still rain collection makes more sense to me than "dew" collection.