Loot quality and biomes

[Serath]

So I needed some batteries to make some minibikes for our group, so I decided to head to the desert to hopefully get a higher chance to find batteries, what with the new loot system in relation to the harder biomes.

I spent a while breaking down cars, and I got 3 batteries.......all level 6. I'm currently level 30, loot stage is 73 (in the desert) and game stage is 69. (Salvage Operations at 2, if that matters, and Lucky Looter at 3.)

I'm beginning to think that when it comes to items with levels at least, the higher biomes don't necessarily increase how "often" you would find something, just increase the level.

Because vehicles no longer have quality level, I would rather not waste these good batteries on vehicles. If I were to head back to the forest and break down cars there, would I get lower tier batteries?

[CatPerson]

Do batteries still have loot level? I'm pretty sure in A20 I have some batteries I've found and I don't recall any of that colored tier level on them at all.
NVM, I had a brainfart.

[Serath]

They sure do.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2705446295

The only mods I am running is an increased inventory mod, floating HP bars over zombies, a basic HUD mod, and a mod that gives more dye colors.

[CatPerson]

Originally posted by Serath:

They sure do..

No, yeah, you're right. I had "woke up not long ago" brainfart moment and was mixing up engines with batteries. My bad, lol.

[mathaniel]

Yes batteries have loot lvl. Have gotten 1`s 2`s and higher I do believe. I am still low lvl as I`m starting lots of new games, exploring;) I scrap all the 1`s.

[Serath]

Originally posted by mathaniel:

Yes batteries have loot lvl. Have gotten 1`s 2`s and higher I do believe. I am still low lvl as I`m starting lots of new games, exploring;) I scrap all the 1`s.

Are you still in the forest though? My question is if biome affects level quality, other than just better items as a whole. (i.e. I wasn't sure if I would find batteries "at all" in forests.)

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Serath:

Originally posted by mathaniel:

Yes batteries have loot lvl. Have gotten 1`s 2`s and higher I do believe. I am still low lvl as I`m starting lots of new games, exploring;) I scrap all the 1`s.

Are you still in the forest though? My question is if biome affects level quality, other than just better items as a whole. (i.e. I wasn't sure if I would find batteries "at all" in forests.)

Yes it does, here is 1 line for a particular gamestage as an example

<qualitytemplate level="147,148" default_quality="1"><loot quality="1" prob="0.355"/><loot quality="2" prob="0.441"/><loot quality="3" prob="0.597"/><loot quality="4" prob="1"/></qualitytemplate>

Here is the next stage

<qualitytemplate level="149,151" default_quality="1"><loot quality="1" prob="0.323"/><loot quality="2" prob="0.387"/><loot quality="3" prob="0.482"/><loot quality="4" prob="0.643"/><loot quality="5" prob="1"/></qualitytemplate>

So you can see at 148 you will never find a quality 5, at 149 you can start to find a quality 5 item. It starts skewing it to give you a higher CHANCE at quality as you level your gamestage.

[Serath]

Ahhh interesting. I guess it is worth returning to the forest so I don't have to feel bad losing high quality batteries to vehicles.

[Ankido]

I went to Desert early and was presented with the same quality of loot. Biomes don't mean anything. Loot level and game stage plays a factor.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Ankido:

I went to Desert early and was presented with the same quality of loot. Biomes don't mean anything. Loot level and game stage plays a factor.

Completely false, disregard everything that was posted. Suggest you read the patch notes again....

Biomes outside the forest now buff your lootstage from 50% up to 150%. POI's and towns also add in flat bonuses to loot stage now based on the danger.

You won't notice it as much early game as its % based. You can look at your loot stage in game as you move between biomes and see it change for yourself.

[Ankido]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Ankido:

I went to Desert early and was presented with the same quality of loot. Biomes don't mean anything. Loot level and game stage plays a factor.

Completely false, disregard everything that was posted. Suggest you read the patch notes again....

Biomes outside the forest now buff your lootstage from 50% up to 150%. POI's and towns also add in flat bonuses to loot stage now based on the danger.

You won't notice it as much early game as its % based. You can look at your loot stage in game as you move between biomes and see it change for yourself.

I saw the same loot and nothing changed. How is that false?

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Ankido:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Completely false, disregard everything that was posted. Suggest you read the patch notes again....

Biomes outside the forest now buff your lootstage from 50% up to 150%. POI's and towns also add in flat bonuses to loot stage now based on the danger.

You won't notice it as much early game as its % based. You can look at your loot stage in game as you move between biomes and see it change for yourself.

I saw the same loot and nothing changed. How is that false?

Because you don't have any clue about how it works apparently.....


From the patch notes

Loot Progression Improvements include a new Loot Stage System, Biome and Tiered POI loot bonuses and early game balance

Loot
Loot Progression has been separated from Game Stage with its own Loot Stage system. Players will increase their loot stage similar to their game stage, but there are many bonuses that can add to it. The biome the player is in, the POI the player is looting, and even the container they are looking at can have a loot stage bonus. Loot stage will then boost the quality and/or the tier of items found. For example, adventurous players that explore the more difficult biomes and POI’s will find iron tools or advanced weapons a little faster than those that stay in the pine forest.

When it comes to biome bonuses, the progression is as follows:

Pine Forest, Desert, Snow, and then Wasteland

(NOTE: Burnt Forest in Navezgane is the same as the Desert)

Just because you found the same type of loot a few times doesn't mean the loot is the same. It just means you found similar items. As your gamestage goes up the odds of finding better loot increases. Again its completely false as you can even see your loot stage in game and watch it increase as you change biomes.

The desert boosts your loot stage by 50%, if your going their early you won't see much of a difference as a boosted low loot stage is still low.

50% boost to a lootstage of 20 only adds 10 points, same bonus to a lootstage of 150 would add 75 points.

[Niuq]

Which biome you are in and what tier POI you are in both influence lootstage.
At low levels the difference it not big enough to ....feel. ( like under lvl 10)
It is there for sure, i believe the first important breakpoint is 90 lootstage.

If your curious a bit of googling should get you either a video explaining it or a table that shows the numbers.

[Ankido]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Ankido:

I saw the same loot and nothing changed. How is that false?

Because you don't have any clue about how it works apparently.....


From the patch notes

Loot Progression Improvements include a new Loot Stage System, Biome and Tiered POI loot bonuses and early game balance

Loot
Loot Progression has been separated from Game Stage with its own Loot Stage system. Players will increase their loot stage similar to their game stage, but there are many bonuses that can add to it. The biome the player is in, the POI the player is looting, and even the container they are looking at can have a loot stage bonus. Loot stage will then boost the quality and/or the tier of items found. For example, adventurous players that explore the more difficult biomes and POI’s will find iron tools or advanced weapons a little faster than those that stay in the pine forest.

When it comes to biome bonuses, the progression is as follows:

Pine Forest, Desert, Snow, and then Wasteland

(NOTE: Burnt Forest in Navezgane is the same as the Desert)

Just because you found the same type of loot a few times doesn't mean the loot is the same. It just means you found similar items. As your gamestage goes up the odds of finding better loot increases. Again its completely false as you can even see your loot stage in game and watch it increase as you change biomes.

The desert boosts your loot stage by 50%, if your going their early you won't see much of a difference as a boosted low loot stage is still low.

50% boost to a lootstage of 20 only adds 10 points, same bonus to a lootstage of 150 would add 75 points.

Please don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tell me what I know. I spent countless ingame hours looting in the desert to no avail on higher loot. Back the ♥♥♥♥ off and don't tell me what I experienced. I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ what the game says and how it works. All I know is, the desert and wasteland gave me nothing new.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Ankido:

Please don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tell me what I know. I spent countless ingame hours looting in the desert to no avail on higher loot. Back the ♥♥♥♥ off and don't tell me what I experienced. I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ what the game says and how it works. All I know is, the desert and wasteland gave me nothing new.

if you want to repeat false info then i'll tell you that your wrong. Your wrong.

The game says your wrong as you can see your gamestage increase in game as you change biomes.
Madmole says your wrong.
TFP says your wrong
The XML says your wrong
The release notes says your wrong
Everyone playing says your wrong

Originally posted by Ankido:

I went to Desert early and was presented with the same quality of loot. Biomes don't mean anything. Loot level and game stage plays a factor.

Your wrong.

Already proved your wrong, you've been told by others your wrong. Again you might have found similar loot but its definitely boosted. I can find iron tools, pistols, etc at level 10 by looting in the wasteland with the boost as its a 150% boost compared to the 50% boost in the desert. Going from level 15 to 22 gamestage isn't going to show much of a difference, but the lootstage is 100% increased and impacts you more and more as you level.

Loot from 20 cars at level 1 - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2705280138
Loot from 20 cars at level 10 - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2705301307

Try looting cars at level 1 or 10 in the forest and see if you find stuff like that....

[Crater Creator]

Hold up though. The OP’s test was breaking down cars to get batteries. That’s not actually looting. That’s harvesting. Do we know if loot stage affects your yield from harvesting blocks?