SMG handgun?

[Creeping_Shadow]

Hi! Love the game. Since the SMG takes 9mm ammo, scraps into handgun parts, and there aren't many handguns in the game... is it effectively a handgun? I am running an agility build and wondering now if the handgun perks have any affect on the SMG.

[FT]

Yes, the agility/handgun perks affect the SMG.

The Automatic perks affect the ak47 and m60, but not the SMG.

[XistenZ]

This is useful information, I'd assume SMG would be affected by automatic perks. Thanks!

[Go_Coup]

Well, the perks do tell you which weapons they affect. I think everyone, including TFP, agrees that SMG seems like it would be in the machine-gun category, but it is easy to see that it's not.

[baddoggs]

Yeah, i mean.. Why would you consider something NAMED a Sub MACHINE gun
be a "machine gun"??? Utter madness....

[magnetmannen WW3]

or automatic fire skills for a automatic weapon.

[baddoggs]

Originally posted by magnetmannen:

or automatic fire skills for a automatic weapon.

Yeah...Right?

[CellNav]

If TFP keeps what we have, then they need to change the label to read MP-5 and not an SMG. Then the label of machine-pistol might be accepted a little better ... :/

If the SMG was a Thompson Sub Machine Gun, then yeah, it wouldn't make sense, but a MAC-10 would be a machine-pistol (if we had one).

[DerFinneAT]

Originally posted by magnetmannen:

or automatic fire skills for a automatic weapon.

Unless we installed a trigger-group semi ofc.

I have yet to find a game, that uses weapon-skills or peks in any way, and is perfectly (or even remotely) consistent, when it comes to smg-type weapons (that range from mp to auto-rifle), or auto-weapons and trigger-group-mods.

Maybe I just got used to it since the days of Jagged Alliance 2.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by baddoggs:

Yeah, i mean.. Why would you consider something NAMED a Sub MACHINE gun
be a "machine gun"??? Utter madness....
:lunar2019deadpanpig:

Funny thing about the english language, There are often multiple ways to interpret things..

For example, 'Sub Humans' are things/creatures that are LIKE humans but are not in actuality Human. It is lesser, Less than, inferior to.

So, A Sub Machine gun, can very much be a thing that is like a machine gun, but, is not in actuality a machine gun. It is less than, Inferior to an actual submachine gun; It is a personal defense weapon that tries to emulate a machine gun in a smaller profile more akin to a pistol.

In fact, that smallness and compactness is what binds the SMG and the Pistol together in the Agility tree- They are small, compact, and suited to stealth and overall agility while retaining a moderate amount of damage as far as firearms go.

[Crater Creator]

Originally posted by CellNav:

If TFP keeps what we have, then they need to change the label to read MP-5 and not an SMG. Then the label of machine-pistol might be accepted a little better ... :/

If the SMG was a Thompson Sub Machine Gun, then yeah, it wouldn't make sense, but a MAC-10 would be a machine-pistol (if we had one).

More generic names, like “SMG” over “MP-5” or “4x4” over “Jeep,” are typically deliberate. It deters lawyers from knocking on your door about IP infringement, and it deters players from quibbling over details of a particular real-life thing, instead of seeing its role in the game for what it is.

Also, fictitious names can be hilarious. Anyone noticed the “MayLag” washing machine? I love it!

[Vod]

Originally posted by Crater Creator:

Originally posted by CellNav:

If TFP keeps what we have, then they need to change the label to read MP-5 and not an SMG. Then the label of machine-pistol might be accepted a little better ... :/

If the SMG was a Thompson Sub Machine Gun, then yeah, it wouldn't make sense, but a MAC-10 would be a machine-pistol (if we had one).

More generic names, like “SMG” over “MP-5” or “4x4” over “Jeep,” are typically deliberate. It deters lawyers from knocking on your door about IP infringement, and it deters players from quibbling over details of a particular real-life thing, instead of seeing its role in the game for what it is.

Also, fictitious names can be hilarious. Anyone noticed the “MayLag” washing machine? I love it!

I remember when the hunting rifle had a Bremington logo on the side of the barrel. I am assuming they removed it because of lawyers.

[BodyBagger]

Originally posted by Crater Creator:

Originally posted by CellNav:

If TFP keeps what we have, then they need to change the label to read MP-5 and not an SMG. Then the label of machine-pistol might be accepted a little better ... :/

If the SMG was a Thompson Sub Machine Gun, then yeah, it wouldn't make sense, but a MAC-10 would be a machine-pistol (if we had one).

More generic names, like “SMG” over “MP-5” or “4x4” over “Jeep,” are typically deliberate. It deters lawyers from knocking on your door about IP infringement, and it deters players from quibbling over details of a particular real-life thing, instead of seeing its role in the game for what it is.

Also, fictitious names can be hilarious. Anyone noticed the “MayLag” washing machine? I love it!

TFP probably deliberately selected "maylag" because they know Sears is too poor these days to hire a lawyer to litigate copyright infringement…

[Crater Creator]

Originally posted by Vod:

I remember when the hunting rifle had a Bremington logo on the side of the barrel. I am assuming they removed it because of lawyers.

Originally posted by BodyBagger:

TFP probably deliberately selected "maylag" because they know Sears is too poor these days to hire a lawyer to litigate copyright infringement…

No, no. The fictitious names are parody, which is fair use. So a Sham sandwich is fine, while a Spam sandwich could be trouble.

[Creeping_Shadow]

Thanks a ton everyone!