Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo

[PC GAMER]

..and looks like it may be heavy "MMO"-based, as per store page descriptors and perhaps single player not even "real" - in that it will not be possible to play solo/offline.

Deluxe version too, and no doubt countless DLC over time making total price into the hundreds $$$$.

Was interested, partly as a LOL cow type thing, but hard nope.


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Feb 4th edit:

1.) I did purchase this "gem" for the reason so many others have. This game is a living "meme", (thanks to South Park) like it or not. (Devs know this.)
The game is licensed, which typically means it may one day be removed from sale.
I actually like HK for what it is, both as a form of internal (ie: self) trolling, and as a world wide "famous" character.
..and the game may also actually by good/fun or close to..

2.) Hoping, in time, Denuvo is removed. That means the "ties that bind" will be gone, and the game will not rely on a 3rd party service to start/play. That way, as long as Steam itself remains and operates as expected, the game will continue to function and operate. Ergo, existing owners will have ("own") the game. Think about it logically. I own the game, as is clearly demonstrated by the forum mouse icon. So why do I really care - I'm no "pirate wanting a free copy". I have it. That argument is invalid for me. ..and so this is not even about Denuvo, per se. (It is Denuvo because that is what is used on this game, what with Denuvo being the "darling" of the DRM world.) If it was any other DRM that worked in the same manner, I would have the same issue. So to me it is not Denuvo, but "Denuvo" -- any DRM that requires something outside of the Steam API which means "ownership" is now controlled by them. Until removed from the current public build, even Sunblink has no control over that.

PS: May the fourth be with you.

[BoodaBooda]

is this what is blocking the client from running, but task manager thinking it is?

[Princess Luna]

Myth:

Escrito originalmente por Sarge Buys All Games Plays120H/W:

All it does is stop people from stealing software. Simple my friend.

Fact: People are p1rating games thanks to denuvo. When you legally bought a game and some anti-piracy tool tells you you cant play games since DRM thinks you copy is illegal - you want to remove that POS right?

[Princess Luna]

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

Stop Killing Games campaign on the Steam forums, also mostly coming from jester award farmers I do not at all believe this to be the case anymore.

Look, if devs want to have less sales because of DRM and players agree to perform DBMS actions to play legally bought games - who are we to juidge? IF you liked to be controlled - thats your life

[Sarge the doggo]

Escrito originalmente por Princess Luna:

Myth:

Escrito originalmente por Sarge Buys All Games Plays120H/W:

All it does is stop people from stealing software. Simple my friend.

Fact: People are p1rating games thanks to denuvo. When you legally bought a game and some anti-piracy tool tells you you cant play games since DRM thinks you copy is illegal - you want to remove that POS right?

Source: Trust me bro.

Escrito originalmente por Princess Luna:

Look, if devs want to have less sales because of DRM and players agree to perform DBMS actions to play legally bought games - who are we to juidge? IF you liked to be controlled - thats your life

It's a game from apple arcade with 8k daily players I think the devs are doing just fine.

And you are right I won't let fear mongering over denuvo control what I play. I will play whatever I want to.


Besides if DRM bothers you that much you can buy it on the Switch.

[ThorN]

Quick note that consoles are also DRM even if Denuvo or other third-party DRM is not in use. For example Nintendo holds save files hostage on a single console with no way to back them up unless you pay for their online subscription.

Escrito originalmente por Kaldaien:

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

No, I did understand. But it's actually irrelevant. It doesn't matter if their current method uses Valve servers, no one forced them to use it.

No offense man, but are you high right now? Of course they have to use Valve's DRM, there's no other authority that can answer the question "does user own game?"

This is the craziest moon logic I've ever read. Kudos to you.

I mean, I would ask the same thing. I don't know what moon logic compels you to put the blame on Valve for developers opting to use Denuvo in their games but alas. Thing is, I really wouldn't care that much about who to blame except we need to know whose responsibility it is to sell games with DRM on Steam as to know where to direct the requests to remove it. Many games on Steam don't use DRM, including some of the best sellers in recent years. So... Hello Kitty didn't have to use it either. Simple, really. If Valve didn't offer anything that could be used to help with DRM for developers, Denuvo would still exist and still function much the same, they'd just provide more of their own solutions to get it done. It's not like you can't use third-party launchers on Steam, for instance. Some games have even managed to sneak DRM past GOG which is supposed to be DRM-free all around and has no checks on their own, but a game like Hitman still had its progression system locked behind online checks. There's nothing about the store itself not offering DRM solutions that would make DRM impossible.

As I said, that discussion is wearing me down and I'm not planning on using the Steam forums any further outside of bug reports or quick support answers maybe. These people who've been fabricating stories about me really p***** me off but I still would like to leave on a somewhat positive note, so... this is off-topic, but SpecialK is pretty cool software and I'm glad people like you are working to improve gaming. I have a lot of respect for that.

[Woody]

My brothers, some simply love the taste of corporate debauchery. Stay true to the light, for not all can be saved. DRM is a pillar of the Dark Gods...

The God of Consumer Rights would never bring us harm. Stand true.

[Kaldaien]

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

Simple, really. If Valve didn't offer anything that could be used to help with DRM for developers, Denuvo would still exist and still function much the same, they'd just provide more of their own solutions to get it done.

It would not exist. Denuvo integrates with storefront DRM, it moves the authentication out of the client and into the cloud. It's not capable of functioning as DRM on its own, it's still using the store's DRM, just in a more secure fashion that can't be tampered with -- hence the name of the product.

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

It's not like you can't use third-party launchers on Steam, for instance. Some games have even managed to sneak DRM past GOG which is supposed to be DRM-free all around and has no checks on their own, but a game like Hitman still had its progression system locked behind online checks. There's nothing about the store itself not offering DRM solutions that would make DRM impossible.

That would actually be third-party DRM, which is deplorable. You shouldn't buy a game on one store only to have another store be the authority on the DRM. If that is ever the case, you should just buy directly from that other store. It's a recipe for disaster when two stores link together to form a colossal obstacle to running a product you purchased.

Neither store is going to willingly give you support, rofl. They'll just blame the other party, and you've got yourself an expensive brick that nobody agrees who you bought it from.

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

As I said, that discussion is wearing me down and I'm not planning on using the Steam forums any further outside of bug reports or quick support answers maybe. These people who've been fabricating stories about me really p***** me off but I still would like to leave on a somewhat positive note, so... this is off-topic, but SpecialK is pretty cool software and I'm glad people like you are working to improve gaming. I have a lot of respect for that.

Stories about you...? Sorry, I don't follow. I thought we were having a civilized discussion about how Denuvo works.

Thank you, however.

[Zano90]

Escrito originalmente por Kaldaien:

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

Simple, really. If Valve didn't offer anything that could be used to help with DRM for developers, Denuvo would still exist and still function much the same, they'd just provide more of their own solutions to get it done.

It would not exist. Denuvo integrates with storefront DRM, it moves the authentication out of the client and into the cloud. It's not capable of functioning as DRM on its own, it's still using the store's DRM, just in a more secure fashion that can't be tampered with -- hence the name of the product.

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

It's not like you can't use third-party launchers on Steam, for instance. Some games have even managed to sneak DRM past GOG which is supposed to be DRM-free all around and has no checks on their own, but a game like Hitman still had its progression system locked behind online checks. There's nothing about the store itself not offering DRM solutions that would make DRM impossible.

That would actually be third-party DRM, which is deplorable. You shouldn't buy a game on one store only to have another store be the authority on the DRM. If that is ever the case, you should just buy directly from that other store. It's a recipe for disaster when two stores link together to form a colossal obstacle to running a product you purchased.

Neither store is going to willingly give you support, rofl. They'll just blame the other party, and you've got yourself an expensive brick that nobody agrees who you bought it from.

Escrito originalmente por Supermettbube:

As I said, that discussion is wearing me down and I'm not planning on using the Steam forums any further outside of bug reports or quick support answers maybe. These people who've been fabricating stories about me really p***** me off but I still would like to leave on a somewhat positive note, so... this is off-topic, but SpecialK is pretty cool software and I'm glad people like you are working to improve gaming. I have a lot of respect for that.

Stories about you...? Sorry, I don't follow. I thought we were having a civilized discussion about how Denuvo works.

Thank you, however.

Supermettube actually makes a fair point about Denuvo and DRMs in general.

[Sarge the doggo]

Escrito originalmente por Zano90:

Supermettube actually makes a fair point about Denuvo and DRMs in general.

Sure but at the end of the day its Valves store which already has DRM and they allow more DRM on top of their DRM.

Denuvo doesnt go over valves policy it follows it.


Whos to blame?

[ThorN]

I don't know why I'm getting notifications since I'm not subscribed, but I noticed this, so

Escrito originalmente por Kaldaien:

Stories about you...? Sorry, I don't follow. I thought we were having a civilized discussion about how Denuvo works.

Thank you, however.

I wish. First they claimed I only wanted Denuvo removed so I could pirate the game, "just like everyone" who speaks out against the DRM. Then they said I was uninformed about Steam's policies. After that was the story about how I'm a hypocrite about everything because I'm allegedly okay with all that Warner Bros. does to Multiversus (???). At least two more people believed these fabrications and used them to discredit me. Finally, after I pointed out they pulled all of this out of their butt, they said the burden of proof about their lies about me was on me. The cherry on top was the moderators deleting my posts where I demonstrated the absurdity of making up lies about someone and telling them to prove said lies wrong, while every other fabricated story about me is still up. Absolute circus. I'm shocked you missed that.

I guess you're not wrong though, this has pretty much become the gold standard of what Steam moderation considers a civilized discussion. Total waste of time unless you enjoy being bullied.