should've been added ages ago

As quoted in Halo:

"FOR A BRICK, HE FLEW PRETTY GOOD."

Idiots at Gaijin really goin neck-deep into their copy-paste phase lately, huh.

Originally posted by Kuro:

F4F Phantom II ICE vs 12.7 and 13.0? Thats not gonna go well even with the ordinance it can carry. The F4 Phantom simply cant perform or maneuver in comparison to most if not all aircraft at top tier. I know balancing is a huge conundrum... but anything lower or higher still doesnt seem right. Maybe its best it doesnt come to the game until Gaijin as a company can figure out BR balancing, limits, and expansions properly...

The only way the Germans in JG-73 got around that was by using mixed Elements (Two-ships) of Mig-29 and F-4F ICE, the F-4F was the long range BVR Shooter and the Mig-29 the close in fighter.

Now if the AMRAAM would work as it should per IRL, that would be a deadly combination......buuut it needs two things for that:

a) a properly working AMRAAM that can't be gamed by flying straight at it a low level

and

b) Teamwork, the one thing War Thunder seems to be unable to foster. For a multitude of reasons, like lacking Teamwide VOIP (with proper configuration).

Oh and there is also a

c) The F-4F ICE has an ECM system, which could help to protect it's element. Oh wait Electronic Warfare doesn't exist in War Thunder....

And even then the Mig-Drivers of 1./JG73 called the F-4Fs of 2./JG-73 lovingly "our Cows" (unsere Kühe).

Now the thing is, this is a weakness mitigation strategy for the flaws in both airframes, namely the F-4Fs weak WVR performance and the Mig-29 "Fulcrum-A"/9.12 Export Model/G lacking BVR capabilities. So it's not as strong as say an element of Flankers, or F-15s, or F-16s etc.

почему не еврофайтер? у него есть аим120 и аим9м? у немцев итак только один съедобный топ тир джет. крч,разрабы, идите наху

Originally posted by TheATFshotMyCat:

Should have just given us Netherlands and a Dutch F-16

This ... it's insane to give it to France for no reason at all, this just feels like a decision based on something outside of the game.

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by TheATFshotMyCat:

Should have just given us Netherlands and a Dutch F-16

This ... it's insane to give it to France for no reason at all, this just feels like a decision based on something outside of the game.

Yep and given the history of the dutch with the french, Belgium would've been better, kinda it's at least half french.

Let's just say in the Middle ages the french kings ruled the dutch until they were kicked out...with some of the dutch citizen Militias using a weapon called "Goedendag"! (Well by the french that is!)
That name literally means "Good day!" and if someone gets hit with it, well they will not have a good day. Kinda like the world's most deadly "Knock, knock!" joke.

Then there was the 1672-1678 Franco-Dutch War, where the French attacked the dutch in the Dutch Republic after they had fought the Spanish for their freedom in the 80 years war.
To make it more hillarious the French gains forced Spanish into an allience with their erstwhile enemy.
Then there's the Napoleonic Wars

So the Dutch don't really like the french that much, granted they like the germans less?
It's complicated, at least half the Belgians kinda like the french and speak like them, the others...hmm...not so much. Though they would most definately don't like to be settled in the german tree.

Maybe british tree, after all the joke, Belgium is a country created by Britain and Germany to settle their differences! And they fought on Team Britain most of the time.

Basically the wars and relations of those countries, especially the Netherlands are that complex, that their Wikipedia List leads to several sub-lists.

What would fit with the Germans, and not too badly is a Swiss tree, after all they had some german aircraft and a french ones. Although not always the newest stuff, they flew Hawker Hunters and Mirage IIIs for ages, as well as Northrop F-5Es and later MDD F/A-18 Hornets.

Originally posted by Kredentialz:

Nobody wanted this at all

I asked for this so many times i lost count.

when up date

f18 coming when

Originally posted by magazine2:

Originally posted by Kaladin:

"excellent flight performance"

are you sure about that

Originally posted by NORD:

"excellent flight performance"

For a brick?

We've clarified it to be compared to other Phantoms.

right but then you compare it to other phantoms that are 10.0 not top tier then you add this to top tier

Originally posted by Sgt.Schnitzel:

Originally posted by dj noodles:

germanys tanks are overpowered, not air

Considering Germany has by far the WORST toptier anti air (Not counting nations like Israel that get nothing), the leo2 is now in several other trees and is usually better than the domestic version your argument makes no sense, yes Germany has some good ground units but none that are unique to only Germany and certainly none that are overpowered.

no youre mistaken. italy has by far the worst anti air for toptier. the ♥♥♥♥ is literally unusable

And once again a tech tree that ISN'T America gets a better version of what america gets. Thanks Gaijin.

"Excellent flight performance"


never forget.

this plane is ass

German mains, YOU wanted this.