Spookston "Mr. HSTV-L" is absolutly not happy about the RDF/LT

[Chaoslord 87]

And bringing up some justfied criticisms about the BMD-4M and 2S38 while at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NDyu1CnA9Y

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by Darth Porgus:

Originally posted by The Uncleanest One:

This kind of ♥♥♥♥ has been happening for a long while, and I doubt anything is going to happen. The update will release and Gaijin will keep doing these kinds of things to vehicles, as they've done always.
And the community will also do nothing, as when Gaijin shows the next big, glowy thing they'll just defocus. The HSTV-L and the new one won't get fixed, the Ariete will continue being a wheeled brick of cheese, the Merkavas will still have that stupid ammo box behind the engine when they didn't have it, the Strv-103 will continue to burst into flames every time they get hit in the front, and the 2S38, while being more capable than most vehicles, and having the same defensive capability of a Namer/Puma will still be .4 BR lower.
Gaijin has to ♥♥♥♥ people hard for a really long time 'till anything happens, sadly.

I didn't know that about the Strv-103.
Does it really burst into flames if the transmission is hit at the front? Can you elaborate a bit more on the problem and explain why you think it is not realistic?

Absolutely yes....its incredibly toxic to play.

EIther you will be set on fire, the barrel will be shot out, or both...and its over and over again.

[The Uncleanest One]

Originally posted by Darth Porgus:

I didn't know that about the Strv-103.
Does it really burst into flames if the transmission is hit at the front? Can you elaborate a bit more on the problem and explain why you think it is not realistic?

When it was added into the game, the fuel tank in the front of the STRV at much would just be destroyed, so they changed it so when it got hit you'd go in flames but, here's the thing: After 1 hit it's destroyed. If you hit other tanks into a destroyed fuel tank it's like you're doing nothing, as long as you don't hit something else.

But if you hit on an Strv you'll 50% place it in flames again. Just like the Merkava shell it's something that's not realistic just because Gaijin doesn't know how to balance ♥♥♥♥, and did an artificial nerf to keep the vehicle down.

The thing with the Strv is the same as with the Merkavas, or the french tanks back in the day, or the Centauros before overpressure was a thing, they made them busted, and then they nerfed them hard, wether by repair costs, insane BR's or this.

[legaroojack]

Originally posted by VVaЯF0xу:

So, basicaly he is crying its not OP enough. How sad.

Nah, he points out( with sources) how pretty much everything on the vehicle is wrong down to multiple mistakes in the model and how he has bug reported the mistakes( with sources) but has basically been stonewalled by gaijin because they don't care about accuracy. The majority of the vehicle stats are also just copied from the HSTVL despite them being two different vehicles and when people tried to use HSTVL sources they where told they're two different vehicle and it couldn't be used despite gaijin copying stats from the HSTVL.

At least watch the video.

[Smokey]

It's not even out yet. Who knows they might still patch it?

[Chaoslord 87]

What makes the HSTV-L and RDF/LT current state even more sad if you compare it´s gun with the the Italian VCC-80/60.

Sitting at 9.3 and penwise not that much worse considering it´s 60mm Darts compared to the 75mm ones on the HSTV/L and RDF/LT while only 0.5 sec slower on the reload.

The VCC also feature higher magnification optics for Gunner and Commander and the same Thermals and NVD optics but lack the IRST tracking.

Both at 1000m

VCC-80/60 (M300)
231 at 0* 195 at 30* 131 at 60*

HSTV/L and RDF/LT (XM 885)
252 at 0* 213 at 30* 146 at 60*

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

What makes the HSTV-L and RDF/LT current state even more sad if you compare it´s gun with the the Italian VCC-80/60.

Sitting at 9.3 and penwise not that much worse considering it´s 60mm Darts compared to the 75mm ones on the HSTV/L and RDF/LT while only 0.5 sec slower on the reload.

The VCC also feature higher magnification optics for Gunner and Commander and the same Thermals and NVD optics but lack the IRST tracking.

Both at 1000m

VCC-80/60 (M300)
231 at 0* 195 at 30* 131 at 60*

HSTV/L and RDF/LT (XM 885)
252 at 0* 213 at 30* 146 at 60*

Gun depression. The tall Italian vehicle can only depress to -6 degrees whereas the low slung American vehicle can depress to -17 degrees. The Italian vehicle can't really hide well.

I play both.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by nosh:

Is this just advertisement or will you actually comment on something?

It speaks for itself.
You can provide them with all the official and declassified documents you want, which proves the mistakes on their side.

They will either outright ignore or cherrypick what they deem believable.
Or come up with their own conclusions like they did with the Stingers or pen calculations in general.

They've been doing this for years with multiple different nations. Some of the researchers are genuinely not worth their salt and often throw a hissy fit if someone disagrees with them - even dismissing national MOD archives.

The mods can now do what they always do when I speak up about this kind of stuff, and ban me for "insulting developers", again.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

Gun depression. The tall Italian vehicle can only depress to -6 degrees whereas the low slung American vehicle can depress to -17 degrees. The Italian vehicle can't really hide well.

I play both.

And a faster turret traverse.
My point was, that performancewise it brings a 9.3 gun into 11.7 matches.
Would it´s rounds have the same performance as M774 (roughly 50mm extra on all angles), it´s BR placement wouldn´t be that outrageous.

And before someone says, there is no way it has M774 pen values.
That conclusion came from the DARPA after testing the Gun extensivly.

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

What makes the HSTV-L and RDF/LT current state even more sad if you compare it´s gun with the the Italian VCC-80/60.

Sitting at 9.3 and penwise not that much worse considering it´s 60mm Darts compared to the 75mm ones on the HSTV/L and RDF/LT while only 0.5 sec slower on the reload.

The VCC also feature higher magnification optics for Gunner and Commander and the same Thermals and NVD optics but lack the IRST tracking.

Both at 1000m

VCC-80/60 (M300)
231 at 0* 195 at 30* 131 at 60*

HSTV/L and RDF/LT (XM 885)
252 at 0* 213 at 30* 146 at 60*

Gun depression. The tall Italian vehicle can only depress to -6 degrees whereas the low slung American vehicle can depress to -17 degrees. The Italian vehicle can't really hide well.

I play both.

9.3 vs 11.7

[Bucher]

you know you're down bad when you start complaining about Italian tanks

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Bucher:

you know you're down bad when you start complaining about Italian tanks

Italy has it´s fair share of problems aswell.
The two most prominent are:
1. The still missing composite hullarmor for the Ariete despite even it´s Manufacturer
Iveco OTO Melara stating that he has composite in Turret AND Hull.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230126040024/https://www.iveco-otomelara.com/tracked/ArieteMBT.php

2. The grossly over BR´d OTOMATIC at 11.3 while being more a 10.3-10.7 vehicle.

Honorable mention goes to the WARKIT mod for the Ariete, which should supposedly also offer good protection against APFSDS instead off measily 20-30 mm for a hefty 5 ton extra in weight.

[B-BRAIN]

Originally posted by Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

He makes some good points, especially about Gaijin throwing away bug reports without caring. They, along with the damnable mods on this forum, don't particularly care about the game whatsoever.

Mods are only here to regulate that people behave on a forum. They have no function for the game itself

[Chaoslord 87]

And look at that.
Seems there was enough ruckus on the forums regarding the Firerate on both the HSTV-L and RDF/LT, that they adopted their official firerate.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/236390/view/547847869991747598

Guess a certain Warthunder Furry can sleep well tonight.

[Mirage]

As usual Gaijin only listens when enough people complain.

[nosh]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

And bringing up some justfied criticisms about the BMD-4M and 2S38 while at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NDyu1CnA9Y

Is this thread just youtube video content creator advertisement?