Yak-3 is a UFO

[flyboymb]

Had a Yak-3 (basic, not modified) caught at the peak of a climb. I missed him with my F-80, and proceeded to veer away to break contact since turnfighting would be stupid. This thing proceeds to climb up on pace with me past 7000m. Every time I tried to increase my climb rate or veer off to get away from him, he'd pull into firing range. I wound up giving him the kill when the match ended.

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/269933072441776785

Can anybody tell me how a WWII fighter, known for best performance under 4000m, can do this to a postwar JET? Yaks are modeled straight out of Soviet propaganda it seems.

[Canadian Guitar]

By knowing it's a Yak-3 it is by definition not a(n) UFO

[Toblm]

I see no F-80s in that replay.
Sounds like user error. Poorly handled 1st gen jets can be out preformed by well handled prop planes.

[Mirage]

Yak-3s are the most insane props in the game.

[Ishida Mitsunari]

Most early jets are not superior to prop planes. I have used Bf109s and even an IL 10 to shoot down a lot of those jets at 6.7. As for how he climbs that fast I think he slightly lifted the plane and then dived for a second to get high speed then repeat.

[flyboymb]

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/269928871963756813

Clicked copy for the match above the one intended. As for user error, I was taking time to gain speed to get away while utilizing my supposed superiority at altitude. By all rights, I should have been able to rope-a-dope him easily. Yet instead he was able to consistently keep his nose up and gain.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by flyboymb:

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/269928871963756813

Clicked copy for the match above the one intended. As for user error, I was taking time to gain speed to get away while utilizing my supposed superiority at altitude. By all rights, I should have been able to rope-a-dope him easily. Yet instead he was able to consistently keep his nose up and gain.

You are severely underestimating the Yak-3s climb rate in Arcade. It has 24m/s. You at best only have 28.5 m/s. You would have done better with a flat run.

But your flight looks more like you deliberately tried to stay in range of the Yak than anything exceptional the Yak did. Those bold climbs you did bled a lot of energy. And a 1st gen jet with no energy is worthless.

You were out flown as a player not as a vehicle.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

By knowing it's a Yak-3 it is by definition not a(n) UFO

It still is in the sense it flies like one.

[flyboymb]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by flyboymb:

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/269928871963756813

Clicked copy for the match above the one intended. As for user error, I was taking time to gain speed to get away while utilizing my supposed superiority at altitude. By all rights, I should have been able to rope-a-dope him easily. Yet instead he was able to consistently keep his nose up and gain.

You are severely underestimating the Yak-3s climb rate in Arcade. It has 24m/s. You at best only have 28.5 m/s. You would have done better with a flat run.

But your flight looks more like you deliberately tried to stay in range of the Yak than anything exceptional the Yak did. Those bold climbs you did bled a lot of energy. And a 1st gen jet with no energy is worthless.

You were out flown as a player not as a vehicle.

Yeah, that thing is nearly 2 BR below me. If you think that having a near equivalent climb rate as a F-80 is a kosher thing, you are drinking some serious koolaid. I've roped planes into expending all their energy multiple multiple times. 109s, 190s, and 51s. The Yak was not some mystical wonder weapon of the USSR. It was a terror at low altitudes. I was flying twice as high as its ideal zone. At that point, I've outturned Spitfires in a 109 because I knew the limits of my plane versus theirs.

That is because, even in arcade, planes lose their acceleration and turning ability at extreme altitudes. I've used it to my advantage with light bombers constantly to get the drop on them and to go after fighters tunnel visioned into attacking other bombers. If the Yak 3 is maintaining all of its characteristics at 7000m, then that, my friend, IS A UFO.

But by all means, tell me again how it is due to me as a player.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by flyboymb:

Originally posted by Toblm:

You are severely underestimating the Yak-3s climb rate in Arcade. It has 24m/s. You at best only have 28.5 m/s. You would have done better with a flat run.

But your flight looks more like you deliberately tried to stay in range of the Yak than anything exceptional the Yak did. Those bold climbs you did bled a lot of energy. And a 1st gen jet with no energy is worthless.

You were out flown as a player not as a vehicle.

Yeah, that thing is nearly 2 BR below me. If you think that having a near equivalent climb rate as a F-80 is a kosher thing, you are drinking some serious koolaid. I've roped planes into expending all their energy multiple multiple times. 109s, 190s, and 51s. The Yak was not some mystical wonder weapon of the USSR. It was a terror at low altitudes. I was flying twice as high as its ideal zone. At that point, I've outturned Spitfires in a 109 because I knew the limits of my plane versus theirs.

That is because, even in arcade, planes lose their acceleration and turning ability at extreme altitudes. I've used it to my advantage with light bombers constantly to get the drop on them and to go after fighters tunnel visioned into attacking other bombers. If the Yak 3 is maintaining all of its characteristics at 7000m, then that, my friend, IS A UFO.

But by all means, tell me again how it is due to me as a player.

You got outplayed. It's embarrassing. Learn from it. Don't repeat it. Get over it.

[flyboymb]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by flyboymb:

Yeah, that thing is nearly 2 BR below me. If you think that having a near equivalent climb rate as a F-80 is a kosher thing, you are drinking some serious koolaid. I've roped planes into expending all their energy multiple multiple times. 109s, 190s, and 51s. The Yak was not some mystical wonder weapon of the USSR. It was a terror at low altitudes. I was flying twice as high as its ideal zone. At that point, I've outturned Spitfires in a 109 because I knew the limits of my plane versus theirs.

That is because, even in arcade, planes lose their acceleration and turning ability at extreme altitudes. I've used it to my advantage with light bombers constantly to get the drop on them and to go after fighters tunnel visioned into attacking other bombers. If the Yak 3 is maintaining all of its characteristics at 7000m, then that, my friend, IS A UFO.

But by all means, tell me again how it is due to me as a player.

You got outplayed. It's embarrassing. Learn from it. Don't repeat it. Get over it.

No U

[Toblm]

Originally posted by flyboymb:

Originally posted by Toblm:

You got outplayed. It's embarrassing. Learn from it. Don't repeat it. Get over it.

No U

I did.

Before today I would have never have suspected a F-80 pilot could muck up so badly to screw up such a protracted chase against a Yak-3.

Get surprised? Sure.
Get out turned? Absolutely.
Lose that chase? LMAO. I won't do what you did.

[flyboymb]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by flyboymb:

No U

I did.

Before today I would have never have suspected a F-80 pilot could muck up so badly to screw up such a protracted chase against a Yak-3.

Get surprised? Sure.
Get out turned? Absolutely.
Lose that chase? LMAO. I won't do what you did.

See, this is why I gave you a well-deserved clown. I've succeeded, I've failed, I've learned. I've gained a sense of what works and does not work in this game. I've played off and on since 2013. I know what is on the bell curve and what is not. All you are saying is "git gud" and you've done nothing to even start to try to counter what I've said. I pulled 4000m on the guy. He should have been starved and stalling just like any other 4.3 prop trying to pull those kinds of gain.

Take your own advice, take your L, and have another clown Chuckles.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by flyboymb:

Originally posted by Toblm:

I did.

Before today I would have never have suspected a F-80 pilot could muck up so badly to screw up such a protracted chase against a Yak-3.

Get surprised? Sure.
Get out turned? Absolutely.
Lose that chase? LMAO. I won't do what you did.

See, this is why I gave you a well-deserved clown. I've succeeded, I've failed, I've learned. I've gained a sense of what works and does not work in this game. I've played off and on since 2013. I know what is on the bell curve and what is not. All you are saying is "git gud" and you've done nothing to even start to try to counter what I've said. I pulled 4000m on the guy. He should have been starved and stalling just like any other 4.3 prop trying to pull those kinds of gain.

Take your own advice, take your L, and have another clown Chuckles.

That's even more embarrassing for you that you've played since 2013 and still can't manage a Yak-3.

Christ. Quit while you're behind.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by flyboymb:

See, this is why I gave you a well-deserved clown. I've succeeded, I've failed, I've learned. I've gained a sense of what works and does not work in this game. I've played off and on since 2013. I know what is on the bell curve and what is not. All you are saying is "git gud" and you've done nothing to even start to try to counter what I've said. I pulled 4000m on the guy. He should have been starved and stalling just like any other 4.3 prop trying to pull those kinds of gain.

Take your own advice, take your L, and have another clown Chuckles.

That's even more embarrassing for you that you've played since 2013 and still can't manage a Yak-3.

Christ. Quit while you're behind.

No one can handle yak-3s. If you say you can, you just think you can. A yak-3 that knows what they are doing can never be beaten. If you can’t see that… maybe get better at playing the yak-3 lol..

[Toblm]

Originally posted by French Cat:

Originally posted by Toblm:

That's even more embarrassing for you that you've played since 2013 and still can't manage a Yak-3.

Christ. Quit while you're behind.

No one can handle yak-3s. If you say you can, you just think you can. A yak-3 that knows what they are doing can never be beaten. If you can’t see that… maybe get better at playing the yak-3 lol..

Sounds like a skill issue on your part.