Scouting has been nerfed

[Mirage]

Another mechanic ruined for no good reason, intelligence and according to to intelligence award and tasks will now be a lot harder to complete as the game is going to ♥♥♥♥ you out of your awards consistently.

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Also the rewards for efficient scouting are too small. A good scout can help the whole team, but rewards are tiny.

[Canadian Guitar]

How was it nerfed when they added a small reward where there wasnt one prior, and fixed issues with scouting at distance?

Another improvement concerns rewards for scouting. If a player has already shot at an enemy before you scouted and then destroyed them, then the game has nothing to reward you for, since another player successfully detected that enemy themselves. Therefore in this situation, you’ll be given a reward “Not by intelligence”

[dgrigg45]

which makes no incentive for any person playing with randoms to do it, because the reward is small and the team play is likely very weak

[Mirage]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

How was it nerfed when they added a small reward where there wasnt one prior, and fixed issues with scouting at distance?

They didn't add a small reward, they removed the normal reward and replaced it with a smaller reward.

Instead of getting the scouting reward, the SP reduction and Intelligence awards, you get 10% of the reward, no RP, no SP and no Intelligence award.

Gaijin is intentionally deceiving and dishonest in their description calling it an improvement.

[dgrigg45]

just like the new event vehicle is "Balanced" at its BR for having a slower reload it has the armor and pen to make it so it doesnt matter all it needs to be is a bit further away and its ok

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

How was it nerfed when they added a small reward where there wasnt one prior, and fixed issues with scouting at distance?

They didn't add a small reward, they removed the normal reward and replaced it with a smaller reward.

Instead of getting the scouting reward, the SP reduction and Intelligence awards, you get 10% of the reward, no RP, no SP and no Intelligence award.

Gaijin is intentionally deceiving and dishonest in their description calling it an improvement.

That's not what this says at all.

Prior, if Team mate A, shoots enemy A, and then you get view of Enemy A and "scout them", even thought Team mate A was already engaging. You got nothing, as they were already viewed by the teammate.

You only get scouting bonuses if you're the one to first spot and scout the target, before Teammate A can engage Enemy A.

Now you get a small reward for scouting after a firefight has begun, where prior you didn't get anything.

[dgrigg45]

theres no point in scouting now because it just made the reward less incentive sure should you be rewarded for spoting something someone else shot? no, but the game is already enough grind and trouble with matches it just makes it much less reason to scout now

[Mirage]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

That's not what this says at all.

Right, because again, Gaijin is dishonest and misleading.

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Prior, if Team mate A, shoots enemy A, and then you get view of Enemy A and "scout them", even thought Team mate A was already engaging. You got nothing, as they were already viewed by the teammate.

Okay, and how is that not a nerf? That used to count as scouting.

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

You only get scouting bonuses if you're the one to first spot and scout the target, before Teammate A can engage Enemy A.

Now you get a small reward for scouting after a firefight has begun, where prior you didn't get anything.

No, you got a reward for that, anything you scouted and died was a reward, now it's no longer a reward.

I played a game where I scouted 9 targets, 5 of them got destroyed and I only got credit for 2 of them.

Which means I got screwed out of 3 scouting award for reduced SP, 3x intelligence awards for my daily task progression and 450 SL for the award, and 1500 SL for the vehicle that is destroyed.
So I lost almost 2000 SL on top of not getting the reduction and I will need to play 2-3 extra games to get the scouting I should have had.

Based on this one game I would have had 3000 SL before the '''improvement'' but only got 1366 so that's more than a 50% SL reduction.

Now lets say over time you scout a 100 players that get killed, that's 100x 600 SL each, which is 60.000 SL + 150 SL per award for another 15.000 so that's 75.000 SL, but with this change you only get 34k SL.

What is even worse is that if you ARE the first the scout a target, and someone attacks your scouted target, a 60 second timer starts during which you cannot scout the target for a reward again, meaning if the target you scouted doesn't die in the first 30 seconds, you won't get credit if you refresh the scouting on the target you spotted.

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Previously, if you tried to scout a vehicle that had already been scouted, the game simply announced, and marked a yellow symbol on the vehicle.

Now when I tried to scout a vehicle I had already scouted, no yellow symbol, no announcement, but instead 20 seconds waiting time before next scouting is possible.

Why would I bother Scouting anymore? The rewards were already so small that even victory could not help to get rewards on the same level as simply shooting would.

From my viewpoint snail is developing the game to worse.

[French Cat]

They ruined scouting lmao, now I gotta skip all the tasks that need scouting awards, cus they take 10x longer to do now.

[Ulvhamne]

I haven't noticed a huge difference to be honest. I get the Already Scouted banner if I herpaderp and scout something already scouted, and I get a bit of a timer.
I haven't managed to scout a target that was already in the process of getting shot yet, so I guess that'd be a bit of a nerf in the rare occasions that it actually happens. But most of the time, when I scout something I also kill it. Or get killed by it. :D

[Mirage]

Originally posted by Ulvhamne:

I haven't noticed a huge difference to be honest. I get the Already Scouted banner if I herpaderp and scout something already scouted, and I get a bit of a timer.
I haven't managed to scout a target that was already in the process of getting shot yet, so I guess that'd be a bit of a nerf in the rare occasions that it actually happens. But most of the time, when I scout something I also kill it. Or get killed by it. :D

I mean you will frequently not get the award for your scouting now and lose 90% of the SL.
Plus if someone shoots a target you scouted but doesn't kill it within the timer, the second time you scout doesn't count either.

[CoinSpin]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Originally posted by Mirage:

They didn't add a small reward, they removed the normal reward and replaced it with a smaller reward.

Instead of getting the scouting reward, the SP reduction and Intelligence awards, you get 10% of the reward, no RP, no SP and no Intelligence award.

Gaijin is intentionally deceiving and dishonest in their description calling it an improvement.

That's not what this says at all.

Prior, if Team mate A, shoots enemy A, and then you get view of Enemy A and "scout them", even thought Team mate A was already engaging. You got nothing, as they were already viewed by the teammate.

No, prior if you scouted an unscouted tank, damaged or not, you were awarded the scout. I did this all the time. Now you can only scout (for the Intelligence challenge) untouched and unscouted tanks.

You only get scouting bonuses if you're the one to first spot and scout the target, before Teammate A can engage Enemy A.

Now you get a small reward for scouting after a firefight has begun, where prior you didn't get anything.

And, no. You could rescout the same target over and over, and get the scout tag and the reward. Now you get the smaller reward and potentially get screwed out of the "Intelligence" challenge. Because quite often previously, you HAD to scout the same target multiple times before someone else finally killed them, due to the scouting timeout. Sometimes you had to rescout then WHILE they were actively being fired upon.

Unless Gaijin completely abolished the scouting timeout, and a scouted target STAYS scouted until they die, you will only have a single shot at scouting a target and pray that one of your teammates can kill them before it wears off.

I mean, it's great that it's supposedly better at catching obvious scouts - I hated how broken it was in the past at longer distances, and even wide open terrain where it was obvious it should have tagged an enemy. But this change will make the Intelligence challenge exponentially harder, the way they seem to have implemented it.

Another case of "have a team that obviously don't play their own game make wholesale changes to a game feature" updating.

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You know the Teamwork award, it has nothing to do with genuine teamwork. That award means only that a buddy in the same team destroyed a vehicle when you were nearby. That's all and nothing more.

But, what would be real teamwork, then? Someone scouts a vehicle and another one destroys it with a big cannon. That is truly teamwork. The awards have different names "Intelligence" and "According to intelligence" but rewards are small.

[dziadek]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Another mechanic ruined for no good reason, intelligence and according to to intelligence award and tasks will now be a lot harder to complete as the game is going to ♥♥♥♥ you out of your awards consistently.

This really breaks my heart...how am I going to continue my life without a little icon and 3 words of text that tell me that I received an "award"...LIFE ISN'T FAIR !