They moved the FOX to BR 7.7 - bah haha

[Antiriad]

Gaijin seem to think it will nerf it, but they don't realise there are more softer targets with WEAK armour at the higher BR so in fact it is easier to play.

e.g. a lot of VIDARs, a lot of LEOPARD 1 (paper tank), TYPE 74, MARDER etc.

There are LESS PANZER V, TIGER II, and less IS3, IS4 etc

you get the idea...happy days for FOX players.

[Mirage]

Gaijin doesn't think anything, they just blindly follow their broken formula for the last decade.

[Pec]

There are more stabilised vehicles as well though which may be a problem for it

[Antiriad]

Originally posted by GB:

There are more stabilised vehicles as well though which may be a problem for it

not really. armour is the only problem for the fox.

[bastion of pragmatism]

so why didnt you take it into higher BR to begin with?

[Vloda]

Completely overpowered at 7.7, thing should be 8.0+...

[Ifrit's ShadowA41™]

Originally posted by Gui:

Completely overpowered at 7.7, thing should be 8.0+...

Make it 12.7 and you have a deal.

[Corinarh]

While at the same time BTR-80A is still at 7.3 and is ♥♥♥♥ against heavies. Fox should be at over 8.0 deep into thermal and super fast turret rotation land.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Gui:

Completely overpowered at 7.7, thing should be 8.0+...

It becomes nearly impossible to justify the Fox at or above 8.0 because the Warrior (same gun plus ATGMs) is at 8.3.

[Mirage]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Gui:

Completely overpowered at 7.7, thing should be 8.0+...

It becomes nearly impossible to justify the Fox at or above 8.0 because the Warrior (same gun plus ATGMs) is at 8.3.

You think that will prevent it from happening?

[Belgord]

Leopard 1 is not a paper tank

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Toblm:

It becomes nearly impossible to justify the Fox at or above 8.0 because the Warrior (same gun plus ATGMs) is at 8.3.

You think that will prevent it from happening?

There is not a light tank in the game that has the same main gun + atgm* of another light tank without atgm at the same BR.

Edit: *With a functional gen 2 Atgm. The SS. 11 are not really functional.

[Mirage]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Mirage:

You think that will prevent it from happening?

There is not a light tank in the game that has the same main gun + atgm* of another light tank without atgm at the same BR.

Edit: *With a functional gen 2 Atgm. The SS. 11 are not really functional.

The RCV is pretty close, it's at 9.0, no armor, no stabilizer, no ATGM, no thermals, no rangefinder and the only weapon is APFSDS with 90mm of pen.

BMD-4 also at 9.0, no armor, stabilizer, ATGM, thermals, laser rangefinder and the main weapon is APDS with 82mm of pen alongside a Tandem ATGM with 750mm of pen.

10mm of pen and APFSDS instead of APDS is equal to all that.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Toblm:

There is not a light tank in the game that has the same main gun + atgm* of another light tank without atgm at the same BR.

Edit: *With a functional gen 2 Atgm. The SS. 11 are not really functional.

The RCV is pretty close, it's at 9.0, no armor, no stabilizer, no ATGM, no thermals, no rangefinder and the only weapon is APFSDS with 90mm of pen.

BMD-4 also at 9.0, no armor, stabilizer, ATGM, thermals, laser rangefinder and the main weapon is APDS with 82mm of pen alongside a Tandem ATGM with 750mm of pen.

10mm of pen and APFSDS instead of APDS is equal to all that.

No RCV has an atgm. Therefore doesnt qualify for my statement.

And the BMD-4 (an event vehicle) doesnt share a BR with another light tank with the same gun that also has an atgm. But is kinda strange as it has barrel atgms. But doesnt really qualify either.

The Warrior and the Fox have an identical gun. The only things that really separate them is the size and speed of the chassis and the atgm.

We know that second gen atgms are worth about 1.3 BRs going from the Pbv 501 (BMP-1 w/o atgms) to a BMP-1.

So the smaller faster Fox closes that 1.3 BR gap with the Warrior but they are not equal.

[Mirage]

Originally posted by Toblm:

No RCV has an atgm. Therefore doesnt qualify for my statement.

I don't get what your statement is then, the RCV needs to have an ATGM to qualify? what?

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Toblm:

No RCV has an atgm. Therefore doesnt qualify for my statement.

I don't get what your statement is then, the RCV needs to have an ATGM to qualify? what?

My statement is that the Fox and the Warrior should never be at the same BR. (or really get closer in BR than they currently are)
That the Warrior having an ATGM AND the 30mm autocannon makes is forever a better vehicle than the Fox.
That there is no two light vehicles with the same main gun at the same BR, where one has ATGMS and one does not.

With the caveat that the AMX-13 SS.11 doesnt count.