Research Point Explanation needed!

[Viking2Go ツ]

Hey guys,

I’m still fairly new to the game and I bought the Tornado on the marketplace for 37€. I want to grind the German tech tree with it and I’m on BR 4.7 at the moment. Is there a huge penalty when playing with the BR 11.0 Tornado if I want to research an Aircraft in BR 4.7?

It’s obvious to me that you should get a penalty, but even when I get like two whole bases and a kill with the Tornado I only get like 400 - 600 RP for the next aircraft. And that’s WITH a Talisman.

Thanks for your answer!

[Eftwyrd]

Every vehicle has an effective research bracket on its stats, you should be able to see this in the hanger under its silver lion and rp bonuses from memory

this is usually +/-1 tier of the vehicles own. Trying to research more than 1 tier above or below will give significant penalties to be near worthless. Talisman only changes the vehicles multipliers giving you more to begin with but does no change you effective research bracket

The only exception to this are premium vehicles which remove the downwards limit so can research anything up to 1 tier above them with full efficiency

Your German tornado if it came from the gaijin market as opposed to the store is probably the event version which is not premium, there is a near identical premium version on the store though

[LordBUM]

ok so you are researching low tier aircraft with a high tier plane i'm guessing so the way it works is you can only efficiently research a vehicle if its in the same tier as you or the next tier over. otherwise you will get far less RP then you normally would so if your gonna buy a premium vehicle its best to either buy one in your current tier or in the next tier.

[ErickaUnlimited]

To add to Eftwyrd, the penalty is based on rank and structured as such and based on how many ranks below or above you are using to research what:

0 No penalty No penalty
1 No penalty -10%
2 -60% -70%
3 -70% -90%
4 -80% -95%
5 -80% -95%
6 -80% -95%
7 -80% -95%

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Research_Points

[TheMuffinEngineer]

yeah this a lesson about not buying your way to top tier as a beginner in the making, please let this be your last high tier purchase atleast for the time being, and if you are i HIGHLY suggest you do some research before you buy anything if you want to avoid regret or dissapointment

[Mirage]

Anything that isn't 1 rank apart is a waste of time, the research penalties are completely insane.
You should be able to research 2 ranks apart without a penalty in my opinion, the current system is way too restrictive.

And further BRs apart shouldn't be more than 40-50% penalty, but this game doesn't respect your time and gladly throws 95% of your work into the void.

Also evident with the latest changes to buying tasks, do 85% of the work to get a 50% discount.

[RedBoy]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Anything that isn't 1 rank apart is a waste of time, the research penalties are completely insane.
You should be able to research 2 ranks apart without a penalty in my opinion, the current system is way too restrictive.

And further BRs apart shouldn't be more than 40-50% penalty, but this game doesn't respect your time and gladly throws 95% of your work into the void.

Also evident with the latest changes to buying tasks, do 85% of the work to get a 50% discount.

This is why the funni little golden vehicles exist on the right side of the tech tree that cost you the funni currency called usd dollars

[Viking2Go ツ]

Thank ya‘ll for the clarification mates! Really appreciate that. And I’m not regretting getting the Tornado, for me it’s still fun to fly around and bomb bases and getting a kill with it from time to time. I most likely will buy a premium Aircraft, but I won’t till I found one which really hits the spot for me. So far none of the existing is really a Jet I want to get right now.

[Black_Fox]

Originally posted by LordBUM:

ok so you are researching low tier aircraft with a high tier plane i'm guessing so the way it works is you can only efficiently research a vehicle if its in the same tier as you or the next tier over. otherwise you will get far less RP then you normally would so if your gonna buy a premium vehicle its best to either buy one in your current tier or in the next tier.

The Tornado he bought isn't a premium vehicle, and premium vehicles don't have a RP malus when used for researching lower tiers. A tier 7 premium would still get the full bonus for reasearching a Tier 1 vehicle

[Mirage]

Originally posted by RedBoy:

This is why the funni little golden vehicles exist on the right side of the tech tree that cost you the funni currency called usd dollars

Yeah, the only way you can play the game at this point.

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by RedBoy:

This is why the funni little golden vehicles exist on the right side of the tech tree that cost you the funni currency called usd dollars

Yeah, the only way you can play the game at this point.

Well we both know it is not the only way. It is just the faster way. Once you get to the end of the Yellow Brick Road you realize there was no real hurry.