Me-262 needs to be moved down in BR

[The TAM-2C Guy.]

The Me-262 is one of the most iconic jets in real life and in warthunder, However in game it cannot be said so. At its current battle rating of 7.0 the 262 A-1 performs poorly. Most of my deaths happen because the 30mm 108s cant hit anything beyond 500 meters. Every other jet out performs the 262. A better battlerating for the 262 would be 6.3 6.7 somewhere there.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

There is one 262 variants I think has a huge tank cannon, it can pen heavy tanks from the top, but that takes a lot of skills to land accurate shots. Maybe I got the model wrong since I have no interest to fly.

you are talking about the me262 a1/u4, nicknamed the 'narwhal'

its fantastic to be sure, i have used it with air to air ammo in its 50mm gun to one shot bombers from a couple of km out

its sitting at lower br than the regular a1 model with its 30mm autocannons because of how hard it is to use against fighters, the 50mm is overkill and sacrifices rate of fire which you need to hit a fast moving target

[CaptainSpacetime]

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

There is one 262 variants I think has a huge tank cannon, it can pen heavy tanks from the top, but that takes a lot of skills to land accurate shots. Maybe I got the model wrong since I have no interest to fly.

It's less skill and more rng, the cannon was super nerfed a while back so it's got pretty massive dispersion.

But yeah it's practically useless vs fighters.

The 7.0+ 262s are just garbage against any jet with .50 cals since the 30mm are actually just physically thrown out of the cockpit by the pilot.

[Chad Chungus]

most skilled germany main

[Mirage]

All the 262s are just overtiered, legacy stuff.

[French Cat]

Idk about you, but I love MK108s. They have the slowest muzzle velocity sure, but they hit like a Volkswagen Beetle. You just need to use it like a shot gun, get close and lead a ton, .3 second burst and the target is reduced to atoms. In headons, the muzzle velocity helps! You fire above the target then pull off, people think you didn’t fire and continue flying straight, 3 seconds later, boom they exploded. Dogfighting is so easy because you NEED to point your nose so far ahead of the enemy, you always cut into their turns and get a shot. 7.0 is tough yea, but in downtiers it’s absolutely a bully. Got a game at 6.3, and got 8 kills. 8 KILLS. I love the thing, one of the most fun planes in the game. The JABO is

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Kitty Cat:

Idk about you, but I love MK108s. They have the slowest muzzle velocity sure, but they hit like a Volkswagen Beetle. You just need to use it like a shot gun, get close and lead a ton, .3 second burst and the target is reduced to atoms. In headons, the muzzle velocity helps! You fire above the target then pull off, people think you didn’t fire and continue flying straight, 3 seconds later, boom they exploded. Dogfighting is so easy because you NEED to point your nose so far ahead of the enemy, you always cut into their turns and get a shot. 7.0 is tough yea, but in downtiers it’s absolutely a bully. Got a game at 6.3, and got 8 kills. 8 KILLS. I love the thing, one of the most fun planes in the game. The JABO is :cta_emo10:

what you are describing is overly simplistic, you say we always point our nose ahead... this is called lead pursuit and is literally how you die in a spiral climb

to explain the mechanics the defensive aircraft pulls into a climbing turn, just so long as they maintain enough lead and do not have a significant disadvantage in energy or sustained climb, what happens is basic geometry, the 'attacking' aircraft on their tail if they try to maintain lead pursuit is actually turning both tighter and pulling their nose higher than the defensive aircraft draining their energy faster. the end result is the attacker if they try to maintain lead pursuit they are either going to stall or be forced to break away, both of which give an open shot at their tail by the former defender

there is a lot of nuance and doing the obvious thing can often be a trap, lead pursuit exists alongside true pursuit and lag pursuit and all have their place. while a deflection shot does require lead pursuit not all kills are going to be deflection shots, and with a lower velocity gun the angle of lead is greater leading to a greater loss of energy. Also exclusive to sim where you are forced into cockpit view larger angles of lead put the target below your nose so you are left guessing at their position and where your shots are going

[French Cat]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Kitty Cat:

Idk about you, but I love MK108s. They have the slowest muzzle velocity sure, but they hit like a Volkswagen Beetle. You just need to use it like a shot gun, get close and lead a ton, .3 second burst and the target is reduced to atoms. In headons, the muzzle velocity helps! You fire above the target then pull off, people think you didn’t fire and continue flying straight, 3 seconds later, boom they exploded. Dogfighting is so easy because you NEED to point your nose so far ahead of the enemy, you always cut into their turns and get a shot. 7.0 is tough yea, but in downtiers it’s absolutely a bully. Got a game at 6.3, and got 8 kills. 8 KILLS. I love the thing, one of the most fun planes in the game. The JABO is

what you are describing is overly simplistic, you say we always point our nose ahead... this is called lead pursuit and is literally how you die in a spiral climb

to explain the mechanics the defensive aircraft pulls into a climbing turn, just so long as they maintain enough lead and do not have a significant disadvantage in energy or sustained climb, what happens is basic geometry, the 'attacking' aircraft on their tail if they try to maintain lead pursuit is actually turning both tighter and pulling their nose higher than the defensive aircraft draining their energy faster. the end result is the attacker if they try to maintain lead pursuit they are either going to stall or be forced to break away, both of which give an open shot at their tail by the former defender

there is a lot of nuance and doing the obvious thing can often be a trap, lead pursuit exists alongside true pursuit and lag pursuit and all have their place. while a deflection shot does require lead pursuit not all kills are going to be deflection shots, and with a lower velocity gun the angle of lead is greater leading to a greater loss of energy. Also exclusive to sim where you are forced into cockpit view larger angles of lead put the target below your nose so you are left guessing at their position and where your shots are going

If you miss the first shot, you lose. I simplified it more for you

[Santa Claus]

As someone who wants historical accuracy I have been told time and again that this is a vehicle simulator and that's that. So your 262 should be happy fighting cold war jets and suck it up because that is how it is. Never mind the technology gap. If x amount of players do poorly or good in a vehicle it's BR is increased or decreased so it can't be strong where it historically was strong. It will just be average until it isn't, then it will be downgraded, then players will do well, then it will be upgraded again. Because "vehicle simulator".

[biomike]

Originally posted by Santa Claus:

As someone who wants historical accuracy I have been told time and again that this is a vehicle simulator and that's that. So your 262 should be happy fighting cold war jets and suck it up because that is how it is. Never mind the technology gap. If x amount of players do poorly or good in a vehicle it's BR is increased or decreased so it can't be strong where it historically was strong. It will just be average until it isn't, then it will be downgraded, then players will do well, then it will be upgraded again. Because "vehicle simulator".

You want historical accuracy you will be getting killed on takeoff and your engines will quickly break
The poor ME163 will explode sometimes on take off and landing
Panzer 2 will now face Kv-1 for ground battles as well