Tiger tank vs KV2

[Nvidiati]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1070197658

So after I completed the mission Tiger Ace on general difficulty and seeing the discussions. I thought to myself wel atleast one on one the tiger wins. I tested it out with the cheatcommand mod and the results were shocking.

Its a 50-50, even if this screenshot shows the victor its still so close. I don't have a issue with the damage of the howitzer or the squad wipe potential. But it's penetration could be lower since it's not a flak37. Yes the tiger can also squad wipe, but not regularly as the KV2.

The next thing that I found is the how tanky the KV2 is. I haven't researched this tank about its armor. So its a yes its a heavy tank so its tanky, but on the other side the KV2 should be more a heavy support tank than a tank destroyer.

[mustachewarfare]

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=tiger_squad_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=kv-2_mp

KV-2 has better rear armour but that is the only difference
tiger is slightly more nimble
tiger has overall more efficient gun but KV-2 has greater chance of squad wiping

They are both heavy tanks and calling a tank with 180 penetration as TD is rather sad

[Nvidiati]

Originally posted by mustachewarfare:

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=tiger_squad_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=kv-2_mp

KV-2 has better rear armour but that is the only difference
tiger is slightly more nimble
tiger has overall more efficient gun but KV-2 has greater chance of squad wiping

They are both heavy tanks and calling a tank with 180 penetration as TD is rather sad

My bad of calling it a tank destroyer, perhaps I should have said effectiveness in tank killing. Thanks for giving me the stats of both tanks.

You say the gun of the tiger is beter, but in practice in this screenshot and the Tiger Ace mission. The KV-2 trades too evenly or even beter in damage. While the gun of the tiger has a beter reload time and penetration. Unfortunately it doesn't penetrate the KV-2 regularly to even say its beter.

While the KV-2's gun doesn't penetrate regularly as the tiger. It compensate with it's high damage, which is why you see in this screenshot it's a close victory. Which makes the KV-2 not only a squad wiper, but also a good tank killer. While the tiger is mostly used against tanks.

[mustachewarfare]

Originally posted by Nvidiati:

Originally posted by mustachewarfare:

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=tiger_squad_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=kv-2_mp

KV-2 has better rear armour but that is the only difference
tiger is slightly more nimble
tiger has overall more efficient gun but KV-2 has greater chance of squad wiping

They are both heavy tanks and calling a tank with 180 penetration as TD is rather sad

My bad of calling it a tank destroyer, perhaps I should have said effectiveness in tank killing. Thanks for giving me the stats of both tanks.

You say the gun of the tiger is beter, but in practice in this screenshot and the Tiger Ace mission. The KV-2 trades too evenly or even beter in damage. While the gun of the tiger has a beter reload time and penetration. Unfortunately it doesn't penetrate the KV-2 regularly to even say its beter.

While the KV-2's gun doesn't penetrate regularly as the tiger. It compensate with it's high damage, which is why you see in this screenshot it's a close victory. Which makes the KV-2 not only a squad wiper, but also a good tank killer. While the tiger is mostly used against tanks.

Both unit costs about the same (KV-2 is 10MP cheaper)

Tiger outranges KV-2 by 5 and is more mobile. So it is entirely possible for Tiger to properly kite KV-2 if player wants to actually micro his unit. Also, it will be absolute pain in the ass for KV-2 to actually chase tiger since it will just be met by pak43 fire.

Most of time KV-2 will be countered by Stug 3, pak43 which are substantially cheaper and other than armour KV-2 doesn't have anything to help it self survive from attack. (Tiger on the other hand gets Blitz at vet 1 and two of tiger based doctrine grants panzer tactician)

Also, tiger will deal more consistent and higher damage against infantry based target. However, KV-2 has better squad wiping potential for it has larger AoE and higher damage per round and it is facing axis faction infantry which tend to have smaller squad size.

In short, in any practical engagement, KV-2 will not be able to perform efficiently as tiger other then pressuring infantry for retreat or getting occasional squad wipe. If I put 1 vs 1 on unit test, HMG will always win any kind of infantry. However, this is never the case in any practical engagement, since no sane player will do so.

Lastly, Campaign is a totally separate element. ToW unit values are different, tiger used to have 40 range just like any medium and heavy armour and this is the same case in ToW (except panther and comet)

There may be a reason why people don't usually use windustry these days