KV-1 Question . What do you think of this tank ?

[[TOP] O_s_Nasty]

http://www.asisbiz.com/Battles/Barbarossa/images/Soviet-KV-1-heavy-tank-lies-abandoned-in-a-ditch-after-a-stuka-attack-1941.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ygmu3IfnZg

Armor Good
Power Bad
Speed Good

[Thrusher]

gun bad. its t-34/76 with armor buff.

[Taghmata Omnissiah]

In game ? Or in real ?

In real. Armor very good, gun medicre, speed very bad, maneuverability very bad, reliability very bad.

In game. Armor medicore, gun medicroe, speed medicore... not worth it to put in the field when enemy had already top Tier tank units.

[Breguet]

Best Soviet tank. Good armor, good against infantry and medium and heavy tank. And it's not expensive.

And not required build to make its interesting when u haven't enough fuel.

[Edisine]

Slow and poor shot, I don't need it.

[Taghmata Omnissiah]

Originally posted by ponTI:

Best Soviet tank. Good armor, good against infantry and medium and heavy tank. And it's not expensive.

And not required build to make its interesting when u haven't enough fuel.

You speak about KV-1 ?

Yeah, armor is not bad. Rear and front are second to IS-2. But when you are able to put KV-1 on field enemy posses already some heavy AT or Vet3 units that put criticals every second shoot. When armor is good the health is ridiculous low, little more then T-34/76.

Against infantry or tanks it had the same stats as T-34/76, the same gun with the same firepower, penetration, traverse and reload speed.

Best Soviet tank ? good joke.

It is the worst max tier armor commander ability in game.

[Breguet]

Originally posted by Galvars:

Originally posted by ponTI:

Best Soviet tank. Good armor, good against infantry and medium and heavy tank. And it's not expensive.

And not required build to make its interesting when u haven't enough fuel.

You speak about KV-1 ?

Yeah, armor is not bad. Rear and front are second to IS-2. But when you are able to put KV-1 on field enemy posses already some heavy AT or Vet3 units that put criticals every second shoot. When armor is good the health is ridiculous low, little more then T-34/76.

Against infantry or tanks it had the same stats as T-34/76, the same gun with the same firepower, penetration, traverse and reload speed.

Best Soviet tank ? good joke.

It is the worst max tier armor commander ability in game.

That commander is the best commander currently, you can build artillery, make kv1 may be is not the best tank against heavy tanks but kv1 has got good armor, kv1 and some SU85 is a very competitive army.

Tell me, you just spam SU85...?

[Taghmata Omnissiah]

Originally posted by ponTI:

That commander is the best commander currently, you can build artillery, make kv1 may be is not the best tank against heavy tanks but kv1 has got good armor, kv1 and some SU85 is a very competitive army.

Tell me, you just spam SU85...?

Nah it would be good if they buff health on pair with Panther it is a bloody Max Tier heavy tank. For now P.IV posses health of 640 points and KV-1 675 points, this is ridiculous!

KV-8 , the same hull as KV-1 have 960 points ( like Panther ) but worst armor. This is all one big BS! Both tanks are identical, only difference is that KV-1 have 76mm gun and KV-8 45mm gun and flamethrower. Look at stats:

KV1 - Health: 675, Front Armor: 340, Rear Armor: 225
KV-8 - Health: 960, Front Armor: 240, Rear Armor: 120

Big B! and big S!

Yeah the commander is good but KV-1 with that stats is the worst of all "off-map" armor in game. It is Max Tier unit that is usless in the late game.

I don't spam SU-85, I'm happy with max 2 of them in tank hunter group. In most cases I prefer KV-8, 2xSU-85 killer squad. And I love KV-1, in ToW it was a monster, in late pvp as max Tier abbility is just usless.

[Breguet]

Well I disagree with you. Kv1 has got a very interesting role on mid and late game.

[datguy13]

Originally posted by ponTI:

Well I disagree with you. Kv1 has got a very interesting role on mid and late game.

This, coming from the same guy who has no idea how to use Penal troops.

I find the KV tanks disappointing. It looks bad-a$$, it's great in theory, but in the end it just falls flat in many cases. The KV-8 is a decent multi-role unit, but the gun just makes me want to head-desk. The KV-1 we get in the campaign is a joke, so I doubt the Commander version is better.

Of course, part of the problem with the KV's is the bad routing and pathing for all units. It's so ponderous that it gets shot to hell by the time it actually moves into a position to be useful.

[Taghmata Omnissiah]

Originally posted by ponTI:

Well I disagree with you. Kv1 has got a very interesting role on mid and late game.

If you think that interesting role is to be cannon fodder for Panthers and other Vet3 units, then yes. your right.

[Breguet]

Originally posted by datguy13:

Originally posted by ponTI:

Well I disagree with you. Kv1 has got a very interesting role on mid and late game.

This, coming from the same guy who has no idea how to use Penal troops.

I find the KV tanks disappointing. It looks bad-a$$, it's great in theory, but in the end it just falls flat in many cases. The KV-8 is a decent multi-role unit, but the gun just makes me want to head-desk. The KV-1 we get in the campaign is a joke, so I doubt the Commander version is better.

Of course, part of the problem with the KV's is the bad routing and pathing for all units. It's so ponderous that it gets shot to hell by the time it actually moves into a position to be useful.

I like people who read my posts, thanks.

Gun of kv8 is a piece of crap.

[Taghmata Omnissiah]

It's a good gun at start of the war, problem is that you have Soviet units from early time of war and German units from late time of war. And KV-8 role is cracking infantry not armor, in most cases I have not seen other players to change from flame to cannon. It late game they already had Su-85 or bunch of Su-76 in support.

[[TOP] O_s_Nasty]

it would need a gun boost. I personally find the way to fight

[Onkel]

I think it should be a standart unit that the soviets can get regardless of the command choice. The kv-1 should have been a KV-2 with the big'n fat 152mm howitzer! It would have to cost alot though (something like 650manpower and 200 fuel)

[Joikax]

Originally posted by Galvars:

In game ? Or in real ?

In real. Armor very good, gun medicre, speed very bad, maneuverability very bad, reliability very bad.

Many historians/ real life tankers / people that know about the KV1 have said that it wasn't actually bad at apeed and maneuvering. Quite the oposite. What I think is the case with the rest of the guys claiming it was a slow machine is the fact that they learned it from World of Tanks. That game is not realistic, for balancing purposes obviously, and lures people into the trap of believing certain tanks are awesome or bad in aspects they are not.