Why dose ISU 152 outclasses elephant in evrything...!?

[Меткић'94]

1) First things and not that importan is slighty faster ISU then elephant .
2) Elephant is realy and i mean realy big ♥♥♥♥ against infranty,where ISU has no problem one shooting whole inf squads
3)Somehow ISu 152 has target priority where he focuses armor first but not fuly sure about it.
4)ISU 152 Blowes ice like its nothing, one time when he didnt one shot my panzer he shoot ice and drowned mah ♥♥♥♥♥. . . elephant cant destroy ice for ♥♥♥♥.
5)ISU can destroy like two elphants if they are taged for dmg boost,elephant accuracy somehow is very bad... thats all for now...

AND THE BIGGEST WTF OF ALL IS, WHY THE HELL TANK FIRE VOLY SOMETIMES AND NOT IN THE STRAIGHT ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LINE!? i mean what tank dosent fire in straght line, its not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mortar its not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ arty, and shots fly projectiles fire very slow...

(sorry for mah ♥♥♥♥♥ english)

[Boogie Woogie]

read about AP and HE ammo ... AP use all germans tanks which is very effective vs soviest tanks while heavy tanks like IS-2 , ISU-152 use HE ammo which doesnt penetrate german's armor and do less dmg... and still, germans are OP ... just tired of repeating all time...

[Groppeta]

Dude, the elephant is the best tank destroyer in the game, and why the ♥♥♥♥ would you use it for killing infantry, it has the largest range in game, just put it behind your lines and it will ♥♥♥♥ up all the tanks.. use it wisselly and support the elephant

[Aristotle Full Throttle]

You need to read up about the ISU 152, its essentially mobile artillery (it uses a ML-20 Howitzer, which in my opinion is better than a mortar) and uses HE shells as chupacabra has already mentioned. While it is good against T3 German Armor (have you seen the cost, it costs more than the Elephant) but can lose to it due to terrible front and back armor (not to mention its penetration sucks, its only like 140 or something) and if you flank it with armor it is dead. In short it is only a threat from a distnace otherwise it sucks.

[Boogie Woogie]

CoH2 database stats of units ...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdGF4VURuYjVGZXlIN3ptbV8tbzRzN0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

[Robthebob]

The ISU152 actually is just a giant 152mm howitzer mounted on a tank. it actually DOES shoot in a curve because its a big shell. The ISU is amazing at killing infantry and stationary vehicles / buildings.

If you have vehicles fighting other vehicles while being on the ice, you are wrong. Explosions can break ice better than the german AT shells. Mortars, grenades (rarely), katyushas, all break ice no problem.

The Elefant is a tank destroyer, not a seige tank like the ISU. It can 3 shot a IS2, 2 shot a T34, and makes the russian armor look like paper... well... more like paper than it already is... -.-

Dont use elefant to kill infantry. Enough said.

[von Steinberg]

The Elefant is only usefull as long as you don't own the Elite Doctrine. The Tiger Ace does as much damage as the Elefant, and it's only drawback (range) is negated by its mobility...

[Groppeta]

use the range of the elephant and it will always ♥♥♥♥ up the ISO, also the frontar armor of the elephant is bigger than the ISO, that means that the ele will always win over a elephant and because the elephant has a penetrating ammo for tanks, thats why he sucks at killing infantry, the ISO has explosive rounds for killing infantry.

[Sifer2]

lol the ISU is overpriced for what it does. Might as well just make rocket trucks to kill Infantry from a distance. Since both die pretty easily if you send a blitzed P4 to kill them.

Meanwhile the Elephant is basically the ultimate anti tank win button. It's armor is so strong it can take on several SU85's at once an win. No russian tank can stand up to it. It's only weakness being that it moves/turns slow, and doesn't damage infantry much. But lucky for you there is no Soviet infantry with decent AT weapons. So as long as you keep field guns away from it nothing is going to kill it except maybe artillery.

[CyberDown]

Umm i thought the elephant was more like a semi stationary brick wall meant to faceroll tanks that would get held up by your front line defenses.

if you are taking the elephant into battle with your other tanks you are doin it wrong.

park that bad boy behind your front lines where you know a tank assualt is likely and it will be serious damage to any tank push.

[Меткић'94]

Originally posted by StC-CHUPACABRA:

read about AP and HE ammo ... AP use all germans tanks which is very effective vs soviest tanks while heavy tanks like IS-2 , ISU-152 use HE ammo which doesnt penetrate german's armor and do less dmg... and still, germans are OP ... just tired of repeating all time...

I didnt say germans are bad or weak,personaly i think no one's OP they both have advantages,i just asked why is elephant sucha ♥♥♥♥ vs isu 152 thaths all,i know about he and ap round,but you must know that in reality all tanks had explosive rounds,for attacks on citys or for defense against inf.

[Меткић'94]

Originally posted by Mirdarion:

The Elefant is only usefull as long as you don't own the Elite Doctrine. The Tiger Ace does as much damage as the Elefant, and it's only drawback (range) is negated by its mobility...

Totaly agreed tiger ace i or panzer 4 ace are to strong.... i mean clasic tiger is strong but can be dealt with but this dlc's with aces sux , again money wins..

[Меткић'94]

Originally posted by Ranger_501st:

You need to read up about the ISU 152, its essentially mobile artillery (it uses a ML-20 Howitzer, which in my opinion is better than a mortar) and uses HE shells as chupacabra has already mentioned. While it is good against T3 German Armor (have you seen the cost, it costs more than the Elephant) but can lose to it due to terrible front and back armor (not to mention its penetration sucks, its only like 140 or something) and if you flank it with armor it is dead. In short it is only a threat from a distnace otherwise it sucks.

Its not like elephant is mobile or something... russians ussualy have more armor so its easy to flank elephant with worste ♥♥♥♥ tanks like t-34/75 and kill it,where to flank ISU you must be sure that they dont have even 1 t-34 , one t-34 is enough to dmg/destroy engine of tiger/tiger ace then its easy to ISU to do its dirty work.

[Меткић'94]

Originally posted by Groppeta:

use the range of the elephant and it will always ♥♥♥♥ up the ISO, also the frontar armor of the elephant is bigger than the ISO, that means that the ele will always win over a elephant and because the elephant has a penetrating ammo for tanks, thats why he sucks at killing infantry, the ISO has explosive rounds for killing infantry.

I made this only cuz i have face onec from like 50 games that both usssr players went for ISU's and me and my teamate went for elephants it was static fight but somehow 3 isus vs 3 elephants destoryed us,first reason becouse tag boost dmg ♥♥♥♥ , secend becouse when isu hits my tank it kill evry inf around it :( i tried flanking them with 2 panthers and pushing elephants in,but by that time they got 4th ISu and 2 t-34s... i dont realy know how cuz it was 50-50% in teritory for whole time,so i must say i felt very bad for loosing late game with germans,i think if we had tigers we would have done much better.

[Меткић'94]

Originally posted by Sifer2:

lol the ISU is overpriced for what it does. Might as well just make rocket trucks to kill Infantry from a distance. Since both die pretty easily if you send a blitzed P4 to kill them.

Meanwhile the Elephant is basically the ultimate anti tank win button. It's armor is so strong it can take on several SU85's at once an win. No russian tank can stand up to it. It's only weakness being that it moves/turns slow, and doesn't damage infantry much. But lucky for you there is no Soviet infantry with decent AT weapons. So as long as you keep field guns away from it nothing is going to kill it except maybe artillery.

Problem is that even cheapest inf like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ conscripts can damagine elephant engine with ♥♥♥♥♥ worthless AT granade, and then elephant moves like pig in mud.

[Aristotle Full Throttle]

1) Never said the Elephant wasn't mobile, but maybe I should have phrased the ISU-152 differently; its a self propelled gun, the ISU-152. In the this game the Soviet Armor tends to be more AI oriented whereas Germans tend to (but have good all rounders and solid AI tanks like the Brummbar or Ostwind) have superior AT.

2) In the game heavy vehicles strain ice more than lighter vehicles, so when a shell hits ice underneath an Elephant there is a higher chance of likelyhood the ice will break whereas it is little if there is a T-70 instead. Also as Cyber Down has already said the Elephant is a heavy Tank Destroyer (you keep it back, its not a main line battle tank and no I doubt that the Germans ever deployed any Elephants with HE rounds, its sole purpose was a TD, it wasn't some Stug III or IV) so its really stupid to ever let a T-34/76 ever get close to the Elephant (let alone it the Elephant can kill the T-34/76 in 2 shots from the front armor).

3) As I said before the cost of the ISU-152 is higher than the Elephant and not to mention no Soviet tank (none, not even the IS-2) can 2 shot a German tank but several German ones can (Tiger Ace and Elephant). Also in my experience (look up my stats I have played plenty of games) only rarely do Soviets enjoy having overwhelming numbers of tanks compared to their German opponents.

4) IF you want more realism then I would also suggest spaulding to occurr so that I can start winning one on one encounters against the Tiger with my IS-2.