Panzer IV vs Panzer IV Aufs. J , who is Stronger?

[Admiral]

Who is stronger of them ? in 1v1 ?

[RecruitMonsterHouse]

Well i would think Panzer IV J, honestly because you can by skirts immedetly( Panzer IV you had to be vet 2) and you can get a commander to call in artillery but other wise not a whole lot, I mean it is a later version of the Panzer IV so i would hope it would have a slightly better gun and armor.

[Trigg]

Historically the J was a bit of a downgrade due to diminished resources and the need to get them out quicker. I don't know whether the game reflects this.

[RecruitMonsterHouse]

Originally posted by Trigg:

Historically the J was a bit of a downgrade due to diminished resources and the need to get them out quicker. I don't know whether the game reflects this.

i diddn't know that but something tells me that its not reflected the same way

[Wearethepeople]

i think j is better

[Spend3]

Panzer IV Aufs. J had upgarded version of 75 mm gun

[Medryn]

Ausf J had less armor plating, due to steel being a bit more scarce at that point in the war. But it did have beter ammunition (usually the APCR rounds) and a new gun model

[AchtAchter]

The wehrmacht panzer 4 is better. It has slighty higher maxspeed (6.3 vs 6.0) and it has a higher armour. 180/90 vs 160/80.

However a PIV ausf. J can reach vet 5 and than it's again the better tank due the vet bonuses.
Keep in mind the J comes in a doctrine which allows HEAT shells, so you a higher chance to penetrate heavy soviet tanks like the IS 2, when activated.

[Kitler Purrtin]

asuf J, why? Cause it has better upgrades and its tank armor it technically better.
Bullets are the same :D

[troj]

The Ausf J was pretty much a simplified model, which meant shorter construction time (very much needed later on in the war, especially after losses both on fronts and from bombing industrial zones.

It also resulted in things like the removal of the electric turret drive (traversing was now done manually), which was a downgrade, but it also made room for alot more fuel and operational range.

The Pz IV Ausf H was probably the 'best' model, although it had a smaller operational range due to less fuel capacity compared to the Ausf J. Both of these models used the improved KwK 40 L/48 barrel which was an upgrade of the already long barreled Pz IV Ausf F2 and some later models.

In game: What AchtAchter said.

[Yeoldewar]

Originally posted by Trigg:

Historically the J was a bit of a downgrade due to diminished resources and the need to get them out quicker. I don't know whether the game reflects this.

the game does actually reflect this because each PZ4 in the battle group is only 105 fuel while Whers PZ4 is 125 fuel

[Admiral]

jup , and the turent rotaion speed is lower then the Normal Panzer IV , Relic did good job here

[Julius]

Originally posted by Gandalf:

jup , and the turent rotaion speed is lower then the Normal Panzer IV , Relic did good job here

the turret of the j had to be traversed by hand whle the earlier panzer 4s had an electric engine right?if yes,the bk mod was right

[Yeoldewar]

Originally posted by Julius:

Originally posted by Gandalf:

jup , and the turent rotaion speed is lower then the Normal Panzer IV , Relic did good job here

the turret of the j had to be traversed by hand whle the earlier panzer 4s had an electric engine right?if yes,the bk mod was right

Yes in the Ausf J they removed the electric turret traverse mechanism to speed up production