Panther VS M10 Wolverine

[Bendy52]

i was playing today a game 2vs2 and at one point there was 2 'Wolverine' vs 2 Panther and guess what after 3 shot on the front armor of the Panther it lost around 10% of it health only.

im i going crazy or wasnt the 'Wolverine' a tank destroyer ? and the Panther a medium tank ?

i mean i cant let my 'Wolverine' stand in the front line for long time due to its low armor but i lost my 2 tanks and the were supported with one AA gun and captin squad with Pazzoka.

what im i messing here ?

[Slappin Like Patton JHeartless]

Your missing the fact that Panthers have better frontal armor then a Tiger and more HPs then any USF armor so even if you DO pen it wont help much. Even the Jackson has a hard time Penetrating the Panther frontally and its better then the M10. The Panther pretty much hard counters the crap out of the M10. The only real way to beat a Panther is to outnumber it two to 1 with M10s, Engine damage it, Kill all its supporting shrek squads, then Encircle it for rear shots (note there is no side armor in the game).

[Bendy52]

yup i know about the side armor :\ RELIC it was even there in the first COH.

anyway your comment means if there is 2 panther ingame vs usa i should quit :3

there is no way you can flank 2 with the infentry around them

i should count on AT guns and many of them.

thanks for the info.

[Julius]

dragon blood.thats how they harden their panthers armor.

[Senseo1990]

Originally posted by Bendy52:

yup i know about the side armor :\ RELIC it was even there in the first COH.

No there wasnt.

Get Jacksons against heavier tanks.

[@theweedfather]

Originally posted by -sb- Acinonyx:

Originally posted by Bendy52:

yup i know about the side armor :\ RELIC it was even there in the first COH.

No there wasnt.

Get Jacksons against heavier tanks.

jackson + e8 is the only way. but it's also doctrine specific so unless you have rifle company then you're kind of SOL unless you can keep 3-4 jacksons alive.

[Bendy52]

i have the Rifle commander i will try it next time.
why do i recall there was a side armor in COH TOV ? nevermind

thanks anyway.

[@theweedfather]

Originally posted by Bendy52:

i have the Rifle commander i will try it next time.
why do i recall there was a side armor in COH TOV ? nevermind

thanks anyway.

E8 soaks the damage while the jackson flanks essentially. or both tanks flank as they're both faster than the jackson. It's actually easier to have 2 e8 1 jackson so that there's twice the flanking power. try to single the tanks out if possible with at grenades if you can, frontal assault doesnt work but side and rear hits still have possibility to damage engine.

[Procrastinating Gamer]

Yeah, half the thing that made a Wolverine a tank destroyer was that it had the mobility to reliably flank around enemy armour. The gun was powerful, sure, but you'd never fire it at the front of a Panther unless you were sure you could put the shot through the turret ring (which, of course, isn't modelled in CoH2).

[HELIX]

Originally posted by JHeartless:

.............. then Encircle it for rear shots (note there is no side armor in the game).

rEALLY? NO SİDE ARMOR? SO İS İT WORK LİKE FRONT ARMOUR?

[Zapp Brannigan]

CoH2 is not a simulator, but I do think your experience with the M-10's and Panthers is consistent with how this confrontation would have/did happen historically. The Panther had outstanding frontal armor and arguably the best gun of any tank in the war. Front to front, the Panther was more than capable of coming out on top against any US armor of the day, including a tank destroyer, which generally had pretty thin armor compared to the heavier tanks.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by B'oh ShadowFighter88:

Yeah, half the thing that made a Wolverine a tank destroyer was that it had the mobility to reliably flank around enemy armour. The gun was powerful, sure, but you'd never fire it at the front of a Panther unless you were sure you could put the shot through the turret ring (which, of course, isn't modelled in CoH2).

M10 was considered obsolete around the time Panthers became ubiquitous on the battlefield.

As with Shermans, they were used because they were what was on hand.

Also, as Han Solo mentioned, CoH2 isn't aiming at being a simulator. A lot of the mechanics that allowed an M10 to successfully engage a Panther is simply not available in the game.

Though the number of times that actually happend tended to be celebrated exceptions to the expected outcome.

Oh, and M10 wasn't all that mobile compared to its targets. One of the reasons why it got replaced by the much ligher Hellcat.

(Edit: spellingz fixes because grammar and dinner don't mix well. Delicious, delicious dinner... :) )

[Slappin Like Patton JHeartless]

Originally posted by Inglorious Bastard-StC:

Originally posted by JHeartless:

.............. then Encircle it for rear shots (note there is no side armor in the game).

rEALLY? NO SİDE ARMOR? SO İS İT WORK LİKE FRONT ARMOUR?

If you hit a Panther from the Side you have a 20% chance to hit the rear armor. Most other tanks are 50% frontal armo and 50% rear.

And to all the real life arguments....the frontal armor they want to model realistically....the Penetration they want to model realistically....but the speed...ummm wasnt even as fast as a T34...and well side armor was trash so that the front armor could be good. Which of course we dont see in the game. And then there are the HPs...want to make a piece of armor durable just give it more HPs.

Not Speed, HPs, Armor, Pen, range and......Blitz....

Remember bounces do not allow dedicated AT units to gain ANY vet. And vet is what you need to deal with these units.

[Rush]

Originally posted by Bendy52:

i was playing today a game 2vs2 and at one point there was 2 'Wolverine' vs 2 Panther and guess what after 3 shot on the front armor of the Panther it lost around 10% of it health only.

im i going crazy or wasnt the 'Wolverine' a tank destroyer ? and the Panther a medium tank ?

i mean i cant let my 'Wolverine' stand in the front line for long time due to its low armor but i lost my 2 tanks and the were supported with one AA gun and captin squad with Pazzoka.

what im i messing here ?

all hail lord bendtner
he's the only one who can take out a panther

[Bendy52]

Originally posted by JHeartless:

Originally posted by Inglorious Bastard-StC:

rEALLY? NO SİDE ARMOR? SO İS İT WORK LİKE FRONT ARMOUR?

If you hit a Panther from the Side you have a 20% chance to hit the rear armor. Most other tanks are 50% frontal armo and 50% rear.

And to all the real life arguments....the frontal armor they want to model realistically....the Penetration they want to model realistically....but the speed...ummm wasnt even as fast as a T34...and well side armor was trash so that the front armor could be good. Which of course we dont see in the game. And then there are the HPs...want to make a piece of armor durable just give it more HPs.

Not Speed, HPs, Armor, Pen, range and......Blitz....

Remember bounces do not allow dedicated AT units to gain ANY vet. And vet is what you need to deal with these units.

yup i guess it could use a bit of nerf, on the other hand how should i spent like 290 fuel of 3 tanks and the other player attack with 1 panther ? i mean by the time i have 3 tanks and 1 AT gun with few squad he will have at least 2 panther and few squads so fanking is not that easy.

+ the speed is not bad of the Panther, not bad at all i doubt i could circle it without it hitting the M10 or even counter with decent speed.

i guess the only advantge for M10 is the cheap 80 fuel it cost.

[Bendy52]

Originally posted by RuSh:

Originally posted by Bendy52:

i was playing today a game 2vs2 and at one point there was 2 'Wolverine' vs 2 Panther and guess what after 3 shot on the front armor of the Panther it lost around 10% of it health only.

im i going crazy or wasnt the 'Wolverine' a tank destroyer ? and the Panther a medium tank ?

i mean i cant let my 'Wolverine' stand in the front line for long time due to its low armor but i lost my 2 tanks and the were supported with one AA gun and captin squad with Pazzoka.

what im i messing here ?

all hail lord bendtner
he's the only one who can take out a panther

Lol dont start sport discussion here