Obersoldaten with stg 44 are OP

[Don'tKnow]

they are uber cost efficient and can be used with attack move to clear the map of ANY infantry group you only need to have 2 obers.
one ober killed 18 soldiers till i had to retreat it i mean is that fair ?

[ShodaN]

Yeah it's too much. Things die too fast to it and they even hardcounter MGs by frequently killing the gunner. In combination with the Panther it doesn't get better. It's not so much how fast they kill standard infantry, but how they turn setup teams into paste, with almost no chance to retreat on time. AT-guns aswell, which are essential for Allies as support against lategame armour. Not nice.

[Мя.Вяощп [FIN]]

wait someone is actually using a OKW commander that doesn't use jagdtiger or falchimjägers? wow. If you are russians just fricking use snipers man

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by Mr.Brown FIN:

wait someone is actually using a OKW commander that doesn't use jagdtiger or falchimjägers? wow. If you are russians just fricking use snipers man

http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/viewBoard/0/steamid/76561197990941561
Wow.

[Мя.Вяощп [FIN]]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Originally posted by Mr.Brown FIN:

wait someone is actually using a OKW commander that doesn't use jagdtiger or falchimjägers? wow. If you are russians just fricking use snipers man

http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/viewBoard/0/steamid/76561197990941561
Wow.

oh yay pulling out the stats again. i admit i don't play online but i do watch so called ''pros'' playing the game on twitch and i don't see them whine about everyfricking thing...

[Don'tKnow]

Originally posted by Mr.Brown FIN:

wait someone is actually using a OKW commander that doesn't use jagdtiger or falchimjägers? wow. If you are russians just fricking use snipers man

Yes,in my opinion the infiltration commander is one of the best, even better than the jagdtiger commader. Don't get me wrong,it has no real armor advantage but you are a able to throw 10 ammo grenades which wipe squads, if you use hotkeys you can add a common grenade at the same time and kill in 90% of the cases the whole squad

shodan i couldn't even agree more ,enough said.OP

[Мя.Вяощп [FIN]]

Originally posted by Don'tKnow:

Originally posted by Mr.Brown FIN:

wait someone is actually using a OKW commander that doesn't use jagdtiger or falchimjägers? wow. If you are russians just fricking use snipers man

Yes,in my opinion the infiltration commander is one of the best, even better than the jagdtiger commader. Don't get me wrong,it has no real armor advantage but you are a able to throw 10 ammo grenades which wipe squads, if you use hotkeys you can add a common grenade at the same time and kill in 90% of the cases the whole squad

shodan i couldn't even agree more ,enough said.OP

i like the commander too but not many people use it for what ive seen

[Don'tKnow]

I always use it, the other commanders cant influence the battlefield in such a large extend.

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by Mr.Brown FIN:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/viewBoard/0/steamid/76561197990941561
Wow.

oh yay pulling out the stats again. i admit i don't play online but i do watch so called ''pros'' playing the game on twitch and i don't see them whine about everyfricking thing...

Sure. You yourself have nothing to bring to the table then. And those pros very well bring up things that are out of place atm. Btw this isn't whinging about EVERYTHING, this is bringing up a VERY specific thing bound to a doctrin, that definitly overperforms for it's cost, given the way the factions work. Like heavy reliance on infantry, that can be countered by a single upgraded unit type. But yeah, how should you know?

And that is the one and only thing I personally stated as beeing OP. Mostly because it is nonsense that there is a squad, that can kill things in 1-2 seconds, let alone when there is two of them. The DPS they put out is too much and too punishing.

[AchtAchter]

A unit that doeswell on its optimal range.
And that can be countered by any vehicle that costs more than 20 fuel in the game.
The same can be said about shock troops.
Obersoldaten are a hard counter for infantry, you are complaining that a unit performs in its intended use.

If you nerf it without any reason you will just amplify the use of the same commander every game and thus bring more boredom into the game.
Vehicles are the counter, a M5 or T70 do a extrem well job keeping your support weapons save from a Obersoldaten flank. Same can be said about a M20.

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by AchtAchter:

A unit that doeswell on its optimal range.
And that can be countered by any vehicle that costs more than 20 fuel in the game.
The same can be said about shock troops.
Obersoldaten are a hard counter for infantry, you are complaining that a unit performs in its intended use.

You don't get it do you? Shocks in contrast to Obersoldaten need to be used with proper tactics like flanking, since you'll need to close in on the target first. What Obersoldaten do, is bring that same lethalety to max range. There is nothing tactical about beeing able to wield such power at long range.

Back when Shocks came out to early and had more armour, everyone agreed they needed a nerf, even though there was clearly a counter in the form of light vehicles of any kind. Now that there is a long range unit that can essentially be the same threat at their max range it is suddenly ok?

[Don'tKnow]

shocks
390 mp
need to close in and lose about 1-4 soldiers depending on the enemy

obersoldaten
400 mp (+90 ammo)
Out perform any infantry units available for allies at max range and even more units have trouble dealing with them(vet 2 or higher and they steamroll all your units except verhicles)

[YCWD]

Ugh I hate to say it but its TRUE! I love my 8 min STG44 Obersoldaten sooo much though! At this point in the game the USF will be nice and blobby with Officers. And nothing quite says LOL like a facemelting super squad or as I call it the walking KV8 that gets vet off that blob double quick causing a complete domino effect!

If they nerf it though please lower the cost to 60 Muni. Its quite expensive and does limit their long range DPS. Otherwise people probably couldnt justify the 90 muni cost.

And to the rest of you the Doctrine as the Command Panther which costs 30 more fuel then a regular Panther but has its own version of Mark vehicle (bet you didnt know that)

[Neckstabba]

Also the Cmd Panther can even be called in when ur flak truck gets destroyed, and yeah mark vehicle is very good if you think that you also get an passiv buff for all nearby vehicles for ONLY 30 fuel more.

[Don'tKnow]

i love them too how lovely they kill their enemies :D