Hammer and Sickle shown, but no Swastika?

[Suredeath Hellman]

Title says it all, why?

[HaiTek]

in many europeen country, including germany, swastika is forbidden for sale in public.

[Fen]

Communism made more dead than Fascism but they won the war so yeah,Hammer and Sickle is "acceptable"...

[Suredeath Hellman]

Originally posted by Herr Fenriz:

Communism made more dead than Fascism but they won the war so yeah,Hammer and Sickle is "acceptable"...

I didn't say it but that was on my mind. Communism killed tens of millions, yet there is no stigma with it's symbol.

So stupid to change reality over nonsense.

[John Helldiver]

The Iron Cross was just as prominant a symbol in the German Army as was the Swastika.

[Suredeath Hellman]

Originally posted by Sierra331/Rhodri:

The Iron Cross was just as prominant a symbol in the German Army as was the Swastika.

Then why isn't the Iron Cross where the Iron Cross should be, and the Swastika where it should be?

[Suredeath Hellman]

Originally posted by FrT.HaiTek:

in many europeen country, including germany, swastika is forbidden in public.

Free speech, unless...

[Lestrad]

If you want the Swastika, ask relic to add the war-crimes happy Allgemeine SS, as they were actually members of the Nazi Party (willing ones at that). Historically the German Army and the SS distrusted eachother. Even the Luftwaffe took issue with the SS and the Nazi Party. Most notable being Hartmann, Barkhorn, and Galland, who told pilots upfront that if they were party members, they could find themselves another squadron. Then you have men like Rommel, Guderian and others. The German Army and its commanders made it a point "not to wade into politics for they were soldiers, not politicians". Many soldiers were pressganged into service (including old veterans) under threat by the party (same as in the Soviet Union and Imperial Japan where saying no to service meant treason and death).

Furthermore warcrimes were rarely occuring on the front lines (as the use of incediaries did not become a warcrime until after WWII). The roundups and all that stuff occured after when the SS moved in to secure captured territories. How do you think Hitler managed to keep what he was doing from his Generals?

Bottom line, the men of German Army were not Nazis. Nazis were a political party (which included the Allgemeine SS, Gestapo, and the Waffen SS). Only Hollywood movies and propaganda paint the entirety of the German Army as Nazis. This was of course at great disservice to those who fought bravely as the single greatest adversary we've ever fought.

[John Helldiver]

Originally posted by Suredeath Hellman:

Originally posted by FrT.HaiTek:

in many europeen country, including germany, swastika is forbidden in public.

Free speech, unless...

The Iron Cross is the symbol used... well actually it's just a standard cross, the Iron Cross used very similar design elements to the Maltese Cross but that's when we start splitting hairs.

Also people don't seem to realize the original Swastika was a Nordic symbol for power, from like.. Denmark or Sweden or even Norway.. I've even heard some whispers that it was originally blue in color.

Then again I heard a similar story that it was originally an Indian symbol from when the Aryan's dominated that region. (Aryan's being the incorrect name that Nazi's called the Blonde Haired - Blue Eyed people.)

Also it was a fact that the entire German Army wore a Swastika band on their left arm on the uniform. But that's again just a minor detail of the uniform, not necessarily shared political ideologies

[Suredeath Hellman]

Originally posted by Lestrad:

If you want the Swastika, ask relic to add the war-crimes happy Allgemeine SS, as they were actually members of the Nazi Party (willing ones at that). Historically the German Army and the SS distrusted eachother. Even the Luftwaffe took issue with the SS and the Nazi Party. Most notable being Hartmann, Barkhorn, and Galland, who told pilots upfront that if they were party members, they could find themselves another squadron. Then you have men like Rommel, Guderian and others. The German Army and its commanders made it a point "not to wade into politics for they were soldiers, not politicians". Many soldiers were pressganged into service (including old veterans) under threat by the party (same as in the Soviet Union and Imperial Japan where saying no to service meant treason and death).

Bottom line, the men of German Army were not Nazis. Nazis were a political party (which included the Allgemeine SS, Gestapo, and the Waffen SS). Only Hollywood movies and propaganda paint the entirety of the German Army (at great disservice) as 'Nazis'.

Maybe they should just NOT alter historic flags/symbols. The fact is the same flag went up whenever the Wehrmacht OR SS marched through an area.

Talking about one sides war crimes, does no service to this subject. The Soviets were monsters, murdering/looting/raping their way through Europe, since you brought up war crime, now I feel compelled. Hammer and Sickle is still shown.

It's like saying killing Germans is O.K and sanctioned/approved, while anything Germany is bad, even though Britain and France declared war on Germany and they fought defense.

[Suredeath Hellman]

Originally posted by Sierra331/Rhodri:

Originally posted by Suredeath Hellman:

Free speech, unless...

The Iron Cross is the symbol used... well actually it's just a standard cross, the Iron Cross used very similar design elements to the Maltese Cross but that's when we start splitting hairs.

Also people don't seem to realize the original Swastika was a Nordic symbol for power, from like.. Denmark or Sweden or even Norway.. I've even heard some whispers that it was originally blue in color.

Then again I heard a similar story that it was originally an Indian symbol from when the Aryan's dominated that region. (Aryan's being the incorrect name that Nazi's called the Blonde Haired - Blue Eyed people.)

Also it was a fact that the entire German Army wore a Swastika band on their left arm on the uniform. But that's again just a minor detail of the uniform, not necessarily shared political ideologies

I saw specifically that Hitler saw it in a Church he used to visit often after his mother died, and it was this hooked cross he used.

[John Helldiver]

Oh no I agree at the disparity between the two political factions there, it is wrong to penalize Germany/Nazism when Soviet Russia/Communism was just as evil.

It is a fact that Churchill wanted to go to war with Stalin but didn't feel that the cost in human lives to bring him to justice would be worth it, especially with the recent end of WWII and the acquisition of atomic bombs by both the US and not long after the USSR.

Interesting fact: Nazi's hated Communism AND Socialism.. even though the Nazi Party was the Nationalist Socialist Party... well I at least find it amusing.

[Suredeath Hellman]

Originally posted by Sierra331/Rhodri:

Oh no I agree at the disparity between the two political factions there, it is wrong to penalize Germany/Nazism when Soviet Russia/Communism was just as evil.

It is a fact that Churchill wanted to go to war with Stalin but didn't feel that the cost in human lives to bring him to justice would be worth it, especially with the recent end of WWII and the acquisition of atomic bombs by both the US and not long after the USSR.

They were move evil in that they killed many more, and Stalin ordered NKVD to kill civilians to blame on Germany, such as Katyn Massacre, and many other the soviets tried to pin on Germany. Stalin's Torch Men order was confirmed by Russia (Order no 0428)

Not to mention any country that wanted to come to peace with Germany was threatened with economic sanctions/calling in loans etc. by Franklin Roosevelt.

Churchill is a real war criminal, went to war for Poland, and handed all of Eastern Europe to Stalin. Stalin declared war on Poland and slaughtered Poles yet their mutual defense pact didn't bring Britain to fight Soviets.

The moment Churchill took office he wanted war with Germany.


The Socialism in National Socialism clearly wasn't meant as economic socialism...

[R'hllor]

Stalin was like Hitler, or worse, but they won the war, so not crooked cross for you because the history is written by the winners.

[✠HerrKlingtGut✠]

Originally posted by R'hllor:

Stalin was like Hitler, or worse, but they won the war, so not crooked cross for you because the history is written by the winners.

+10

True and sad story Bro

[76561198133316428]

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you happy?