Noobs who play comp stomps

[Topsy Kretts]

Please don't. Or at least play easy comps.

I enjoy playing expert comps, they give alot more challenge than hard. But how come 90% of my team mates are complete useless noobs and droppers? It always ends the same way.

I run out on to the map, set up machine guns, cover my flanks. I give alot of resources to my team and all my inf are supported by reinforcements (if not, all die quickly). I rush for at-cannons to defend against tanks.

Meanwhile, the noob on my team runs around with 1-2 grenadier squads, constantly retreating, and finally just camps outside base. Then the noob drops mid-game.

If you don't know how to play vs expert comps, PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!

If you don't know that comps make tanks, play easy comps.

I end up wasting hours until I finally get a team mate who doesn't let me play the entire game alone. Sometimes I even win when the noob drops, simply because comp that takes over is better.

[mr.badluck]

If only relic havent its head so deep in ass to acknowledge that server browser actually was much better than auto games for compstompers.

[DOG OF WAR]

Sad? Guess you have no friends that will play with you. Maybe your friendly words. LOL

[Black Hammer]

As a fellow vs AI player, I have to agree with the OP. I don't even queue for Expert matches as Russian, since I can't reliably carry a 3v3 or 4v4 vs Expert AI if my teammates are useless or quit.

[Sifer2]

Well if Expert wasn't checked by default it probably would be better. I can't remember if it is. If so it should'nt be.

[Selvain]

Playing Expert can be irritating with people who dont like to move or take their side or do basic things. But Thats also why I mark hard just so I can get a relaxing game even if its with noobs. ^.^ but what can we do theres no lobbies I miss my vs ai anni lobbies *cries*

[76561188078797539]

Oh gods how true what OP writes is.

Compstomp games are all about locking down your section of the front. That means actually building MGs (yes, even maxims) just to prevent single units from rolling points behind the main line, or flanking defensive positions of another player. Once you've done THAT (and hopefully at least around the middle of the map, not the first standard cap point away from your base as I've seen a few times), then build up attack force to have a walk on enemy side.

Lazur is an excellent example - you have six "access points" in the middle of the map. You also should actually reduce that to five controllable approaches since one of the VPs is on the "enemy" side of the map.

The number of times I've seen people build grenadiers (or assault grenadiers) only to get chewed up (sooner or later - usually sooner), retreat to the base, then have the AI surprise buttseck all the other players who are still trying to build up the defensive line (and do not have manpower to react to a full-sector enemy breach) is ridiculous. Especially since the two MG teams that usually are all that's needed early on to keep the chokepoints covered aren't even that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ expensive.

This is all the more aggravating when you're playing Germans. Two bunkers are piddly change for the effect they have on control of the map, even if you absolutely need to play attack-retreat roulette with "mobile" troops.

Blaargh.

[Black Hammer]

Biggest challenge in AI matches on higher difficulty is how the AI will push offensives with combined blobs from multiple AI players. Nine infantry squads and three tanks suddenly hitting your pair of MGs, AT gun, and mortar makes for ugly.

[datguy13]

Elitists among the Compstompers? Man, now I've officially seen it all.

You guys do realize that there is no actual *competition* involved with playing against a scripted AI, and thusly there is no actual ego investiture, right? Therefore, there really is no reason for people to take a Compstomp all that seriously. The result being that there is no reason to be calling people "scrubs" or "noobs".

[Terra]

Originally posted by datguy13:

Elitists among the Compstompers? Man, now I've officially seen it all.

You guys do realize that there is no actual *competition* involved with playing against a scripted AI, and thusly there is no actual ego investiture, right? Therefore, there really is no reason for people to take a Compstomp all that seriously. The result being that there is no reason to be calling people "scrubs" or "noobs".

This.

Also, could those "experts" please for the love of god stop imagining their input is equal to that of people playing MP on any matter of balancing, your thoughts on how to beata straightforward comp has no validity in talk about other humans.

[76561188078797539]

If expecting your teammate to pull their weight, regardless of whether you're playing against another human or AI (especially on Expert that now, finally, can actually win matches) is being elitist...

Well, guilty as charged. Because somebody sitting back while teammates bleed resources just trying to hold the line while the ♥♥♥♥ waits for his third Tiger before moving ass (and inevitably getting chewed up by the AI SU-85s or ZiS by then) pisses the ♥♥♥♥ out of me.

[Topsy Kretts]

Originally posted by datguy13:

Elitists among the Compstompers? Man, now I've officially seen it all.

You guys do realize that there is no actual *competition* involved with playing against a scripted AI, and thusly there is no actual ego investiture, right? Therefore, there really is no reason for people to take a Compstomp all that seriously. The result being that there is no reason to be calling people "scrubs" or "noobs".

Ehh. what? Have you ever tried games like Orcs Must Die? It's all about beating the ai, and that sure is fun. The fun is almost completely removed however when playing with useless noobs who:

1) don't hold flags
2) let enemy flank you from behind
3) ends up camping outside base

At the moment, I enjoy playing ai, not every game is guaranteed victory. But with 90% of the players being noobs, you just spend hours after hours wasting time on games that never can be won.

I have nothing against lesser skilled players, only that they join games they shouldn't!

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Topsy Kretts:

I have nothing against lesser skilled players, only that they join games they shouldn't!

Eh, that's how people learn. Um. Supposedly.

I don't mind losing. I do mind somebody being useless to the point of not even trying to help. Getting flanked from another player's sector because they got rolled is fine and well if they actually attempted to defend it before pressing the retreat button.

All too often what you see is just jokers running between flags they don't even try to hold against single enemy units. If they aren't sitting at base waiting for their special unit that's probably not even going to roll out before the game is over anyway...

[datguy13]

It's a game, nowhere is that more apparent than in Compstomp. I'm all for proper team spirit and honorable play, but the fact of the matter is that this isn't Orcs Must Die. The true investiture is the multiplayer aspect of the game, where-in you face other humans and have to use every skill you practiced against the AI or all your natural talent to beat another actual thinking, adaptable human being.

So no matter how fun a Compstomp might be to a certain personality archtype, it's still just playing against a computer. And like it or not, alot of people out there are simply not going to take that very seriously, and nor should they. Anyone who feels that they should be using derogatory labels when dealing with an 'inferior' Compstomper probably should take a step back and get some perspective. There is no money involved, no bragging rights, no accolades, and frankly, no serious accomplishments. Compstomps are superfluous events that have little if any meaning to the human condition, and thus, they encompass the spirit of playing a game perfectly.

Simply put, if you take the game *that* seriously, then you need to walk away when you encounter someone that doesn't play to your inappropriately applied criteria or standards. And you need to go find yourself a few friends who do play to your standards, and play *exclusively* with them, as the competitive mindset of that intensity is actually quite unhealthy for an open venue like Compstomp automatch.

[76561188078797539]

You do realize that your claim of player vs player being the "ultimate" expression of skill or investment in game can be construed an elitist approach itself?

When you play a co-op game, you, as a player, invest time. It matters little whether your "opponent" is AI or another human being from that perspective. If somebody ends up wasting your time without putting any actual effort into the game itself, there's, again, little difference whether the opponent was AI or human.

Your time is still wasted.

There's a tremendous difference in losing to AI because it actually played a "good game" as opposed to having a teammate not even trying to do the basic things.

The first I often laugh off. Sometimes the random strangers I play with can even mount an outstanding comeback making such a game a really memorable experience.

The latter I detest for the aforementioned reason alone - it wastes my time with little gain in return.

To reiterate, I don't mind people learning as they play. But if you do not even realize you are supposed to hold chokepoints on the easiest to control maps, then you should not be playing against Expert AI.

[Bullet Cake]

I love a good old comp stomp vs AI but sadly i don't do the auto team much because of players expecting you to play a certain build order & strat. To me that is just no fun at all i want to play my game differently everytime & sometimes that means i loose but sometimes win, all that matters to me is that i had fun during the game. If that makes me a noob then so be it i don't care.