POLAND as next new force DLC !!!

[LeeFu]

How it could be that the fourth bigest army and brave more then others, are not in the game?

DONT BE AN IGNORANT - You think You know anything about POLISH contribution?
Don't be silly !

Take small quiz game ;p
http://www.funtrivia.com/trivia-quiz/History/Poland-during-World-War-II-129595.html

or listen nice music.
Music touching the subject *(Sweedish group Sabaton) READ SOME COMENTS !
Dont be and ignorants to my brave ancestors !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoQj8GGHNxU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Uqy2YjuP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-dOQjie6pQ

And the fact about how Poland saved Europe - Another one is Battle of Viena.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gip7vk_bxP8

Some small feeders ;p

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SOME TRUTH documentaries *(still some freaking stupid jokes) - English version *(still short)
This movie contain many myths and not showing full contribution
*( still horse atack on tanks - joke ). Poland was fighting for more then month *(more then any other taken country in WWII, even atacked first without declaration of war and still after Rusians atack on 17.Sep.1939)

Polish War actions timeline - Quite interesting

http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/poland-ww2-events-timeline.asp

Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMlrL2x173w

To get it more facts please find theese books !

http://www.polishforcesmemorial.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=77
http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Fight-Polands-Contribution-Victory/dp/0955782449
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs26/f/2009/249/9/6/Poland__First_to_Fight_by_R1FL3.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/No-Greater-Ally-Polands-Military/dp/1849084793

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MY prologue *(sory for english)

I wish to see POLAND as the fourth bigest army in WWII and World that time.
I dont have remind that Polish Army was fighting from the begining till end and never surrender. Poland was protecting Allies *(whom betrey Poland couple times and sell it to Soviets) and encrypt Enigma. Polish Underground Country was one of the planet idea and Poland as only one country being taken, never surrender nor make puppet state *(quick and without fight like France / Czechoslovakia/ Austria/ Holand etc). Polish squadrons *(most know 303) were best in air *(flying on new machines and not using english language)They still destroyed more German air planes then any english squadron fighting for own country.

Not concider take Poland as an Army is a big mistake. It was the bravest army in this war... Has some lack of equipment but not as they try to describe. And never charge with horses on tanks *(it is propaganda for idiots). Polish cavarly divisons were wery fast and sillient and they were fighting betwen two army lines for longer then a month. Polish cavlary was making sudden attack on tank divisions at night where they were making huge succes and destroyed couple of them tottaly *( what tank can do without crew and at night to horse which see at night and soldiers who know how to fight?), Polish soldiers take many points fighting with allies *(the ones Allied forces couldt get in many tries- Batle of Monte Casino and many others)

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Very Small history lesson !

Lint to Wikiw official version *(intresting)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II
Links about fact that Poland role in WWII was ridiculed with some reasons.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/466681/Poland/28215/World-War-II

FACTS AND MYTHS
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-surprising-facts-about-poland-during-wwii.php
http://gadabyte.com/ww-ii/poland.html
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120901172827AAFMlQO
https://www.ww2.pl/Polish,contribution,to,the,Allied,victory,in,World,War,2,%281939-1945%29,132.html

Polish inventions in WWII
http://polishgreatness.blogspot.ie/2010/12/polish-inventions-ww2-weapons.html

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HOW THE WAR CAME TO POLAND

41. Why Hitler Attacked Poland?

From 1934 to 1939 Hitler repeatedly urged Poland to join Germany in an attack on Soviet Russia, promising her large territorial gains in Eastern Europe. Poland rejected all of Hitler's proposals. Furthermore, Poland's vitality and the decline of the German population made it obvious that by 1975 the Poles would have become equal to the Germans and that time was working against German supremacy. Indeed 1939 was the year in which the strength of the German manpower in relation to the Polish manpower was at its maximum. That year

was chosen long before for aggression against Poland.

42. September 1, 1939

At dawn on September 1, 1939, German land and air armies attacked Poland without any declaration of war, crossing the frontier at 14 points from East Prussia, West Prussia, Silesia, Moravia and Slovakia. Germany bombed all Polish airfields and 61 towns within the first few hours.

43. Unequal Forces

The relative strength of Polish and German forces in September, 1939, was as follows:
Poland Germany
Infantry 31 divisions / 70 divisions
Panzer units 1 division /14 divisions
Planes 443 /4320
Fire power ratio 1 /72


44. 35 Days of Polish-German War

The German-Polish war lasted 35 days, from September 1 to October 5, 1939. At ♥♥♥♥ the last of the major engagements of the war was fought on October 5th. The siege of Warsaw, capital of Poland, lasted 19 days in spite of heavy air and artillery bombardment. Warsaw surrendered , on September 27, when the armies had exhausted all ammunition, the water supply was cut, and 200 large fires were raging in the city.

45. Sept. 17, 1939-the Critical Day

September 17, 1939, was the most critical day of the German-Polish war.
On September 14, German panzer units had been stopped thanks to the resistance of the Polish armies and to the extension of German supply lines. The Poles began to organize effective resistance along the marshes of Polesie and in Galicia. But at dawn on September 17, without any declaration of war, Soviet Russia despite her non-aggression treaty with Poland attacked on the rear of the Polish armies fighting Germany. On September 28, Germany and Russia signed an agreement dividing Poland between themselves for "all times," along the Ribbentrop-Molotov line.

POLISH ARMY IN EXILE

46. Polish Army in France
Very shortly after the cessation of organized fighting by Polish forces against the German invaders, a Polish army was formed in France by General Sikorski. This army consisted of 4 1/2 infantry divisions, an armored brigade and the Carpanthian brigade, some 100,000 men in all. The first and second divisions took part in the battle of France; the Carpathian Brigade fought in Norway and was the first to enter Narvik.

47. Polish Army in England

After the collapse of France, General Sikorski succeeded in evacuating a large part of the Polish troops to England, where Poland now has an army corps including an armored division, a rifle brigade, a parachute brigade , and other units.

48. Polish Army in the Middle East

When the Polish-Russian Treaty as signed in July, 1941, a number of Polish prisoners of war in Russia were released, and a new army was organized on Russian soil under General Anders. Before having been equipped it was transferred to the Middle East at the request of the Soviet Government. With the Carpathian Brigade now expanded to a Division, it forms separate army corps. Polish ground forces in the Middle East number some 75,000 men, fully trained and equipped with the most modern American and British armament.

49. Polish Air Force

After the fall of Poland, Polish fighter squadrons were set up in France, while bomber crews were training in Britain. When Hitler attacked in the West, 133 Polish fighter pilots, fighting with the British and French Air Forces faced his air armada. They won 55 victories, losing 15 men. Yet the most glorious achievement of the tiny Polish Air Force was in the Battle of Britain, when it destroyed 195 enemy machines out of the total of 2,366 brought down by the Royal Air Force. Since then, Polish fighter and bomber squadrons have been continually engaged and up to March, 1943, had destroyed more than 526 enemy aircraft, 7 U-boats and dropped more than 6,000 tons of bombs on 42 targets in Germany and German occupied territories. In Tunisia, Polish airmen brought down 79 enemy planes as compared with 527 downed by the American air forces. Since 1939 Polish pilots have shot down more than 1,000 German planes. A considerable number of Polish airmen also serve as pilots in the Allied armies. The Polish Air Force now numbers more than 12,000 men.

50. The Polish Navy

The Polish Navy has been fighting for 3 1/2 years alongside of the British Royal Navy. Polish sailors have taken part in many important naval actions, including the evacuation of Dunkirk, the spirited attack on the "Bismarck," the landing at Dieppe, and the recent operations off the North African coast. They have played their full part in the Battle of the Atlantic and carry on an unceasing vigil with the fleets of the United Nations in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. Thus the destroyer "Garland" fought a 6-day battle against Nazi planes and U-boats in conveying American and British munitions to Russia. The officers and crew of this "Very Gallant Ship" were saluted by the officers and crew of the flagship of the convoy and received high British and Polish decorations.


POLAND FIGHTS ON

51. German Reign of Terror

In his message to Poland, broadcast on May 3, 1941, Prime Minister Churchill said:

"Every day Hitler's firing parties are busy in a dozen lands. Monday he shoots Dutchmen, Tuesday Norwegians, Wednesday French and Belgians stand against the wall, Thursday it is the Czechs who must suffer, and now there are the Serbs and the Greeks to fill his repulsive bill of execution. But always, all of the days, there are the Poles."

52. 8,000,000 Poles Sacrificed for Freedom

The struggle of the Polish Nation for freedom and integrity of Poland cost the Nation 8,000,000 victims. During, that time:

2,500,000 Poles were murdered by the Germans.
500,000 Poles were starved to death by the Germans.

2,000,000 Poles were sent to forced labor in Germany.

1,600,000 Poles were deported from Western Poland to the Government General.

1,500,000 Poles were deported by Soviets to Russia.

348 villages have been burned to the ground and ploughed under like Lidice, 1,080 have been evacuated and all the inhabitants either killed or deported.

53. Directorate of Civilian Resistance

Underground resistance on the Polish Home Front is directed by the Polish Government in London, through its representatives in Poland who conveys its instructions to the Directorate of Civilian Resistance responsible for the organization of sabotage, the trial and execution of German criminals.

[Kawecki]

It makes no sense to add poles as a nation. As a general, I support. As for the poles to be honest brave nation, suffered much during the war. On the one hand, Germany attacked them with other Russians. A French and English were in the trenches on the Maginot Line. We all know that if they moved their asses instead of sipping wine and tea is in a few days they'd be in Berlin and World War II to just non-existent. When I read the posts and laughing at people such as the cavalry charge on the tanks I do not see anything funny to laugh instead ask yourself the question of whether to defend his sister, brother, mother or father, you can afford to be on the courage to move on horseback with several grenades on the tanks?

And btw 80% of the German army in 1939 moved to a horse that you see in the movies sdkf mechanized vehicles are just propaganda.

And your post with poles do not deserve to add them to the game are embarrassing them were killed about 5600000

[LeeFu]

Desert Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

{f}HusaR{c} eredeti hozzászólása:

Dude- Yes Poland has quite old equipment. Yes they were conquered but just after 1 month and two weaks after Soviets atack on the other side!!! Was easy for Germans? Haha Germans lost in Poland most equipment to the time they decide go breake pact and go on Soviets *(i dont include the huge loss in gorilla warfare when we took about 3k tanks down and much other stuff). I dont have to add that Germans roll over even without declaration of war, just like cowards. Dont even mention the fact that after Poland, Germans conquered many other countries and brave France with so OP equipment and big army without any shoot *(that was blizzkrieg) - after we gave them more then month to prepara. Lol

You don't have the best reading comprehension for English I guess. Or you would have noticed I stated that they were relatively equal in terms of actual equipment. Poland HAD A REAL CHANCE, but their tactics, strategy and other such considerations paled in comparison to the new type of warfare that Germany unleashed on them.

By the time Russia invaded Poland, it was already decided. The fact is, that the Germans, with little involvement by Russia, smashed the Poles wholesale. Russia is a non-factor for the results of Case White.

France, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, Hungary and the Low Countries easily dealt as much damage to German occupiers as the Poles did. Most on an individual basis. Some of these countries actually liberated large portions of their territory WELL BEFORE Allied/Soviet liberation. In reality, the large majority of Poles were either complicit or ignorant to their occupiers policies. Some actually helped the Germans when it came time to round up their Jewish countrymen. Not to minimize the impact of Polish resistance, but just because they did it the longest doesn't mean they were the most effective.

I've never heard of many of your "facts" either. 3000 tanks? Who kept these records? The Polish Home Army? I'd very much like to see a book (not a wiki link or a strange Polish title from the 70's) that has it's sources listed on these numbers.

I like how you dismiss other nations valiant attempts to defend their own lands as something that can't be compared to Poland. As if France and the west were going to change their entire defensive strategies based on the defeat of Poland because that's all the info they needed to defeat these new German strategies. You are the perfect example of a "hindsight is 20/20" kind of person.

And Poland was about as mobilized as a country could be in September 1939. They simply couldn't fight what was coming. It took THE ENTIRE WORLD and the atomic bomb to defeat the Axis. Poland just couldn't cut-it when fighting major powers in her day.

Ok some parts are logic and could be understand but the part about killing Jews? Dude ...Jews goes to camps without fight *(betreyed Poland when refuse to fight) but still polish people help the Jews *(most jaweshra tres in Israel are marked with polish names - 90 % of people there !!!).YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER that only in POLAND for helping Jews you always would be killed with whole family and still polish people help the most from occupied countries. Polish underground make as the only one underground army , special organization called ZIGOTA to help Jews! Even when many Jews betreyed POLAND and sell many AK/ NSZ and other polish armies to SOVIETS and sometimes help them to morder em ! This ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is so hard like pappers saying ♥♥♥♥ like "NAZZISTS" killed JEWS *(Nazzi now for young people could be Poland on other countries- it is nice plan by German propaganda organization to shift the blame to others). It is going realy nice coz most but not all camps were build in Poland. Soon stupid ignorants will think that Germans attacked Poland to protect Jews. It is not realy far from this. Now they never using word GERMAN camps or German camps... Learn more about it and try to understand please

[Deadlylag]

Land eredeti hozzászólása:

drumroll eredeti hozzászólása:

I think they lasted 27 days so........

No offense but history has always cast Poland as the first to be defeated.

I think you have Poland confused with France

Poland surrender on September 27, 1939

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/poland-surrenders

France surrender on June 22, 1940

http://www.sparknotes.com/history/european/ww2/section2.rhtml

Poland activated their self defense treaty which forced Britain and France into the war.

Many historians credited German invasion of Poland as the start of WWII. I however sided with historians that WWII started with the occupation of the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia. It was German first victory without a shot being fired.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/czechoslovakia_1938.htm

[lungenfoto]

{f}HusaR{c} eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok some parts are logic and could be understand but the part about killing Jews? Dude ...Jews goes to camps without fight *(betreyed Poland when refuse to fight) but still polish people help the Jews *(most jaweshra tres in Israel are marked with polish names - 90 % of people there !!!).YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER that only in POLAND for helping Jews you always would be killed with whole family and still polish people help the most from occupied countries. Polish underground make as the only one underground army , special organization called ZIGOTA to help Jews! Even when many Jews betreyed POLAND and sell many AK/ NSZ and other polish armies to SOVIETS and sometimes help them to morder em ! This ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is so hard like pappers saying ♥♥♥♥ like "NAZZISTS" killed JEWS *(Nazzi now for young people could be Poland on other countries- it is nice plan by German propaganda organization to shift the blame to others). It is going realy nice coz most but not all camps were build in Poland. Soon stupid ignorants will think that Germans attacked Poland to protect Jews. It is not realy far from this. Now they never using word GERMAN camps or German camps... Learn more about it and try to understand please

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D55JONK-3g

[Shou]

{f}HusaR{c} eredeti hozzászólása:

grumpy eredeti hozzászólása:

just stop using wikipedia in your discussion.....

WIki is still better and only one many people will understand here... Sory but keep stupid myths / propaganda and superstitions are more aqurate? Get the grip dude.

Wiki is better.... i lost it... i fkn lost it... Dude, no one uses wiki as source for information. You may use it for general informations. But you need *truth-able* source other than Wiki. Dont they tell you this in Uni?

[Shou]

Alright people, that is it. Stop reply to this thread. Nothing to do here. Just a troll.

[Desert Fox]

{f}HusaR{c} eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok some parts are logic and could be understand but the part about killing Jews? Dude ...Jews goes to camps without fight *(betreyed Poland when refuse to fight) but still polish people help the Jews *(most jaweshra tres in Israel are marked with polish names - 90 % of people there !!!).YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER that only in POLAND for helping Jews you always would be killed with whole family and still polish people help the most from occupied countries. Polish underground make as the only one underground army , special organization called ZIGOTA to help Jews! Even when many Jews betreyed POLAND and sell many AK/ NSZ and other polish armies to SOVIETS and sometimes help them to morder em ! This ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is so hard like pappers saying ♥♥♥♥ like "NAZZISTS" killed JEWS *(Nazzi now for young people could be Poland on other countries- it is nice plan by German propaganda organization to shift the blame to others). It is going realy nice coz most but not all camps were build in Poland. Soon stupid ignorants will think that Germans attacked Poland to protect Jews. It is not realy far from this. Now they never using word GERMAN camps or German camps... Learn more about it and try to understand please

Did you just blame the Jews of Poland for their problems during the war?!?!

Any credibility you ever had just evaporated. Goodbye hatemonger. Glad you don't represent the majority of good Poles.

[Land]

Deadlylag eredeti hozzászólása:

Land eredeti hozzászólása:

I think you have Poland confused with France

Poland surrender on September 27, 1939

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/poland-surrenders

France surrender on June 22, 1940

I am talking about pretty much every war France has been involved in since The Napoleonic times, France has always 1. lost or 2. surrendered.
France aswell, has been in many more wars than Poland.

edit: also France only lasted 15 more days than Poland did so...
Nevermind that casualities in the Battle of France on the allied side were over 2 million wheras Poland loses were below 1 million.

[Fedain]

As a Pole I am very confused readhing this thread...

I would really like to see nation-specific commanders - Poland, Finland&Norway (winter maps!), Romania, Hungary, Italy... you name it. But as a whole faction - not so much.

Also, to my fellow polish OP - you might have good intentions "spreading the knowledge" about us but please stop doing it THIS way.

[LeeFu]

Живи ко гроф Ћано eredeti hozzászólása:

{f}HusaR{c} eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok some parts are logic and could be understand but the part about killing Jews? Dude ...Jews goes to camps without fight *(betreyed Poland when refuse to fight) but still polish people help the Jews *(most jaweshra tres in Israel are marked with polish names - 90 % of people there !!!).YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER that only in POLAND for helping Jews you always would be killed with whole family and still polish people help the most from occupied countries. Polish underground make as the only one underground army , special organization called ZIGOTA to help Jews! Even when many Jews betreyed POLAND and sell many AK/ NSZ and other polish armies to SOVIETS and sometimes help them to morder em ! This ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is so hard like pappers saying ♥♥♥♥ like "NAZZISTS" killed JEWS *(Nazzi now for young people could be Poland on other countries- it is nice plan by German propaganda organization to shift the blame to others). It is going realy nice coz most but not all camps were build in Poland. Soon stupid ignorants will think that Germans attacked Poland to protect Jews. It is not realy far from this. Now they never using word GERMAN camps or German camps... Learn more about it and try to understand please

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D55JONK-3g

Whata stupid ♥♥♥♥... In every country You find that someone dont like jews/black/polish or others... It is proving ♥♥♥♥ and its showing your ignorance.

Get some informations about polish and jews relations:
http://www.polishgreatness.com/polishjewishrelations.html

[The Three]

Faoiltiarna eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, to my fellow polish OP - you might have good intentions "spreading the knowledge" about us but please stop doing it THIS way.

This one!

[night_vibes]

drumroll eredeti hozzászólása:

gorkon (Dingo) ☯ eredeti hozzászólása:

POLAND STRONG!

I think they lasted 27 days so........

No offense but history has always cast Poland as the first to be defeated.

That means you know nothing about history my dear friend :)

[doomhammer244]

Fact is, that the germans had much more tropps, much better tactics, and very much better equipment. The poles had no chance to win this, right from the beginning. The soviet´s invasion maybe fastened things up, maybe 3-4 weeks. See it, poland has no right to exist as a faction in coh2, it would make absolutly no sense. and yes, they lasted longer than 27 days, a bit more than 1 month, what a huge difference.

[BHammer]

Uuhmm I am Polish and I think this thread is embarassing.
This is a game and it needs to be balanced, what Polish units there were apart from partizans, which are ALREADY included in the game (as a call-in-unit, they have polish voices).

[Komandos]

Blackhammer eredeti hozzászólása:

Uuhmm I am Polish and I think this thread is embarassing.
This is a game and it needs to be balanced, what Polish units there were apart from partizans, which are ALREADY included in the game (as a call-in-unit, they have polish voices).

Seriously? In Polish version units and PARTISANS have polish voices, because we got polish localisation with audio, LMAO.