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POLAND as next new force DLC !!!
How it could be that the fourth bigest army and brave more then others, are not in the game?

DONT BE AN IGNORANT - You think You know anything about POLISH contribution?
Don't be silly !

Take small quiz game ;p
http://www.funtrivia.com/trivia-quiz/History/Poland-during-World-War-II-129595.html

or listen nice music.
Music touching the subject *(Sweedish group Sabaton) READ SOME COMENTS !
Dont be and ignorants to my brave ancestors !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoQj8GGHNxU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Uqy2YjuP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-dOQjie6pQ

And the fact about how Poland saved Europe - Another one is Battle of Viena.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gip7vk_bxP8

Some small feeders ;p

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SOME TRUTH documentaries *(still some freaking stupid jokes) - English version *(still short)
This movie contain many myths and not showing full contribution
*( still horse atack on tanks - joke ). Poland was fighting for more then month *(more then any other taken country in WWII, even atacked first without declaration of war and still after Rusians atack on 17.Sep.1939)

Polish War actions timeline - Quite interesting

http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/poland-ww2-events-timeline.asp

Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMlrL2x173w

To get it more facts please find theese books !

http://www.polishforcesmemorial.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=77
http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Fight-Polands-Contribution-Victory/dp/0955782449
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs26/f/2009/249/9/6/Poland__First_to_Fight_by_R1FL3.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/No-Greater-Ally-Polands-Military/dp/1849084793

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MY prologue *(sory for english)

I wish to see POLAND as the fourth bigest army in WWII and World that time.
I dont have remind that Polish Army was fighting from the begining till end and never surrender. Poland was protecting Allies *(whom betrey Poland couple times and sell it to Soviets) and encrypt Enigma. Polish Underground Country was one of the planet idea and Poland as only one country being taken, never surrender nor make puppet state *(quick and without fight like France / Czechoslovakia/ Austria/ Holand etc). Polish squadrons *(most know 303) were best in air *(flying on new machines and not using english language)They still destroyed more German air planes then any english squadron fighting for own country.

Not concider take Poland as an Army is a big mistake. It was the bravest army in this war... Has some lack of equipment but not as they try to describe. And never charge with horses on tanks *(it is propaganda for idiots). Polish cavarly divisons were wery fast and sillient and they were fighting betwen two army lines for longer then a month. Polish cavlary was making sudden attack on tank divisions at night where they were making huge succes and destroyed couple of them tottaly *( what tank can do without crew and at night to horse which see at night and soldiers who know how to fight?), Polish soldiers take many points fighting with allies *(the ones Allied forces couldt get in many tries- Batle of Monte Casino and many others)

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Very Small history lesson !

Lint to Wikiw official version *(intresting)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II
Links about fact that Poland role in WWII was ridiculed with some reasons.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/466681/Poland/28215/World-War-II

FACTS AND MYTHS
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-surprising-facts-about-poland-during-wwii.php
http://gadabyte.com/ww-ii/poland.html
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120901172827AAFMlQO
https://www.ww2.pl/Polish,contribution,to,the,Allied,victory,in,World,War,2,%281939-1945%29,132.html

Polish inventions in WWII
http://polishgreatness.blogspot.ie/2010/12/polish-inventions-ww2-weapons.html

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HOW THE WAR CAME TO POLAND

41. Why Hitler Attacked Poland?

From 1934 to 1939 Hitler repeatedly urged Poland to join Germany in an attack on Soviet Russia, promising her large territorial gains in Eastern Europe. Poland rejected all of Hitler's proposals. Furthermore, Poland's vitality and the decline of the German population made it obvious that by 1975 the Poles would have become equal to the Germans and that time was working against German supremacy. Indeed 1939 was the year in which the strength of the German manpower in relation to the Polish manpower was at its maximum. That year

was chosen long before for aggression against Poland.

42. September 1, 1939

At dawn on September 1, 1939, German land and air armies attacked Poland without any declaration of war, crossing the frontier at 14 points from East Prussia, West Prussia, Silesia, Moravia and Slovakia. Germany bombed all Polish airfields and 61 towns within the first few hours.

43. Unequal Forces

The relative strength of Polish and German forces in September, 1939, was as follows:
Poland Germany
Infantry 31 divisions / 70 divisions
Panzer units 1 division /14 divisions
Planes 443 /4320
Fire power ratio 1 /72


44. 35 Days of Polish-German War

The German-Polish war lasted 35 days, from September 1 to October 5, 1939. At ♥♥♥♥ the last of the major engagements of the war was fought on October 5th. The siege of Warsaw, capital of Poland, lasted 19 days in spite of heavy air and artillery bombardment. Warsaw surrendered , on September 27, when the armies had exhausted all ammunition, the water supply was cut, and 200 large fires were raging in the city.

45. Sept. 17, 1939-the Critical Day

September 17, 1939, was the most critical day of the German-Polish war.
On September 14, German panzer units had been stopped thanks to the resistance of the Polish armies and to the extension of German supply lines. The Poles began to organize effective resistance along the marshes of Polesie and in Galicia. But at dawn on September 17, without any declaration of war, Soviet Russia despite her non-aggression treaty with Poland attacked on the rear of the Polish armies fighting Germany. On September 28, Germany and Russia signed an agreement dividing Poland between themselves for "all times," along the Ribbentrop-Molotov line.

POLISH ARMY IN EXILE

46. Polish Army in France
Very shortly after the cessation of organized fighting by Polish forces against the German invaders, a Polish army was formed in France by General Sikorski. This army consisted of 4 1/2 infantry divisions, an armored brigade and the Carpanthian brigade, some 100,000 men in all. The first and second divisions took part in the battle of France; the Carpathian Brigade fought in Norway and was the first to enter Narvik.

47. Polish Army in England

After the collapse of France, General Sikorski succeeded in evacuating a large part of the Polish troops to England, where Poland now has an army corps including an armored division, a rifle brigade, a parachute brigade , and other units.

48. Polish Army in the Middle East

When the Polish-Russian Treaty as signed in July, 1941, a number of Polish prisoners of war in Russia were released, and a new army was organized on Russian soil under General Anders. Before having been equipped it was transferred to the Middle East at the request of the Soviet Government. With the Carpathian Brigade now expanded to a Division, it forms separate army corps. Polish ground forces in the Middle East number some 75,000 men, fully trained and equipped with the most modern American and British armament.

49. Polish Air Force

After the fall of Poland, Polish fighter squadrons were set up in France, while bomber crews were training in Britain. When Hitler attacked in the West, 133 Polish fighter pilots, fighting with the British and French Air Forces faced his air armada. They won 55 victories, losing 15 men. Yet the most glorious achievement of the tiny Polish Air Force was in the Battle of Britain, when it destroyed 195 enemy machines out of the total of 2,366 brought down by the Royal Air Force. Since then, Polish fighter and bomber squadrons have been continually engaged and up to March, 1943, had destroyed more than 526 enemy aircraft, 7 U-boats and dropped more than 6,000 tons of bombs on 42 targets in Germany and German occupied territories. In Tunisia, Polish airmen brought down 79 enemy planes as compared with 527 downed by the American air forces. Since 1939 Polish pilots have shot down more than 1,000 German planes. A considerable number of Polish airmen also serve as pilots in the Allied armies. The Polish Air Force now numbers more than 12,000 men.

50. The Polish Navy

The Polish Navy has been fighting for 3 1/2 years alongside of the British Royal Navy. Polish sailors have taken part in many important naval actions, including the evacuation of Dunkirk, the spirited attack on the "Bismarck," the landing at Dieppe, and the recent operations off the North African coast. They have played their full part in the Battle of the Atlantic and carry on an unceasing vigil with the fleets of the United Nations in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. Thus the destroyer "Garland" fought a 6-day battle against Nazi planes and U-boats in conveying American and British munitions to Russia. The officers and crew of this "Very Gallant Ship" were saluted by the officers and crew of the flagship of the convoy and received high British and Polish decorations.


POLAND FIGHTS ON

51. German Reign of Terror

In his message to Poland, broadcast on May 3, 1941, Prime Minister Churchill said:

"Every day Hitler's firing parties are busy in a dozen lands. Monday he shoots Dutchmen, Tuesday Norwegians, Wednesday French and Belgians stand against the wall, Thursday it is the Czechs who must suffer, and now there are the Serbs and the Greeks to fill his repulsive bill of execution. But always, all of the days, there are the Poles."

52. 8,000,000 Poles Sacrificed for Freedom

The struggle of the Polish Nation for freedom and integrity of Poland cost the Nation 8,000,000 victims. During, that time:

2,500,000 Poles were murdered by the Germans.
500,000 Poles were starved to death by the Germans.

2,000,000 Poles were sent to forced labor in Germany.

1,600,000 Poles were deported from Western Poland to the Government General.

1,500,000 Poles were deported by Soviets to Russia.

348 villages have been burned to the ground and ploughed under like Lidice, 1,080 have been evacuated and all the inhabitants either killed or deported.

53. Directorate of Civilian Resistance

Underground resistance on the Polish Home Front is directed by the Polish Government in London, through its representatives in Poland who conveys its instructions to the Directorate of Civilian Resistance responsible for the organization of sabotage, the trial and execution of German criminals.


Legutóbb szerkesztette: LeeFu; 2014. jún. 13., 14:33
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Legutóbb szerkesztette: Land; 2014. jún. 22., 15:27
Err0r eredeti hozzászólása:
Real Polish army was created in the USSR if you like it or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Polish_Army_%281944%E2%80%931945%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Army_%28Poland%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders%27_Army

They were equipped and trained by the Soviet Union. Conditions in the camps were staying were terrible, it's the fact but remember, the whole of Russia lived in appalling conditions in the time of Stalin.
Real enemy? I don't think.

That is a fairly complicated matter. The first two formations were de facto part of and were commanded by the Red Army. Majority of the officer personnel were soviets. Gen. Zygmunt Berling a known NKVD agent was put in charge of forming and leading the first army. He was deemed a traitor to the country, a deserter and was sentenced to capital punishment by the Polish court-martial. Another important officer gen. Karol Świerczewski who commanded the second army was a committed communist who fought against Poland in the Polish-Bolshevik war. Polish government in London had no authority over those formations and didn’t recognise them as part of the Polish Army.

Anders’ Army is a different story. It was formed in USSR territory from prisoners of war held captive in soviet concentration camps after the invasion of Poland. Under agreement it was supposed to leave the USRR and later join the western allies. From the beginning it was commanded by the Polish government in-exile.

Let me ask you a question. If another state invades your country and commits mass murder on your people, what do you call them?

Even Churchill viewed USSR as a threat but what the hell did he know, right?
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Speedboatman-Kun eredeti hozzászólása:
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ poles... This is why nobody likes them. Same to russians, they ruin everything that has GAMES in it. First of all, the internet they got suck DONKEY ASS. they suck at english. And they're simply retarded. ♥♥♥♥ off poles/russians

Hard even to say anything about this stupid rant. Youre so funny boy ! :P

That was not intended to be a joke dumbass, is it difficult to understand that nobody wants a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Poland army in this game, Because it will not make any sense. They sucked in WW2 they surrendered after a mounth! They were not the best and bravest army in WW2. as one above said that the army was created 1944 and the war ended 1945. This about Poland being the bravest is a myth. And who did even tell you that? Give up your pathetic dreams patriot, please.
Polish contribution was nothing compared to soviet, belorussian partisans, for instance, in 6 months of 1943 did more than whole polish 'resistance' since 1939 till 1944, nevertheless, russians were rewarded with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rusophobic pseudohistorical crap, and even this ♥♥♥♥ took ages to implement. Adding poles as an independent faction is difficult, as Poland can exist as independent faction only for several weeks of 1939.
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Land eredeti hozzászólása:
All of those Polish armies linked on wiki, were created DURING the war..
ww2 ended in 1945.
Those armies were created in 1944.


Land eredeti hozzászólása:
All of those Polish armies linked on wiki, were created DURING the war..
ww2 ended in 1945.
Those armies were created in 1944.

Poland had fourth bigest army on 1939 front and after defeat couple houndrets move abroad to any army fighting.

Poland had the fourth biggest OUT OF FOUR COUNTRIES!!!!!
What the ♥♥♥♥ is the issue with you!?!? Even the army was outdated with ♥♥♥♥ equipment, they held poland in a mounth, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mounth... God are you retarded for real?
lich0 eredeti hozzászólása:
Err0r eredeti hozzászólása:
Real Polish army was created in the USSR if you like it or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Polish_Army_%281944%E2%80%931945%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Army_%28Poland%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders%27_Army

They were equipped and trained by the Soviet Union. Conditions in the camps were staying were terrible, it's the fact but remember, the whole of Russia lived in appalling conditions in the time of Stalin.
Real enemy? I don't think.

That is a fairly complicated matter. The first two formations were de facto part of and were commanded by the Red Army. Majority of the officer personnel were soviets. Gen. Zygmunt Berling a known NKVD agent was put in charge of forming and leading the first army. He was deemed a traitor to the country, a deserter and was sentenced to capital punishment by the Polish court-martial. Another important officer gen. Karol Świerczewski who commanded the second army was a committed communist who fought against Poland in the Polish-Bolshevik war. Polish government in London had no authority over those formations and didn’t recognise them as part of the Polish Army.

Anders’ Army is a different story. It was formed in USSR territory from prisoners of war held captive in soviet concentration camps after the invasion of Poland. Under agreement it was supposed to leave the USRR and later join the western allies. From the beginning it was commanded by the Polish government in-exile.

Let me ask you a question. If another state invades your country and commits mass murder on your people, what do you call them?

Even Churchill viewed USSR as a threat but what the hell did he know, right?

Soviet Union did not mass murder polish people(btw soviet state NEVER committed mass murders, its a nazi thing) and did not invade, but occupied territories according to division of spheres of influence with nazis, not to let them take whole Poland, because Third Reich was obvious and NATURAL enemy of communist USSR. Just because fascists are anticommunists, its a must, and mantras of western hypocrits who speak of friendship between USSR and Third Reich are said only because they need to hide own guilt of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact being made. Because it was signed in context when USSR did not have any allies except Mongolia. Germany, Italy and Japan formed anticomintern pact, Allies did everything to make Germany attack USSR, and USSR made attempts to create antinazi pact since early 30s in europe, which was systematically sabotaged, and after Spain, and after Munich pact which led to dissolution of Czechoslovakia in which wonderful Poland actively participated USSR did not have any other choice but to sign peace with its most obvious enemy. Churchill saw USSR as a threat as much as Stalin saw western capitalists as a threat. Capitalists were afraid that their money would be taken by the people. Communists were afraid that the world would go back into 19th century, and Hitler wanted to bring the world back even further, to medieval, of course with all the technology, industry, but mentally those would not be people of 20th century, but brainwashed zombies who would live in the system where everyone knows his place. Its something that soviet communists and other revolutionaries destroyed during the revolution, and there was a threat of the old ways being restored, but they would be even worse than those that existed before. Berling just cooperated with NKVD, its like saying that german pows who worked in gulag system were NKVD agents.
P.S. i wont be able to answer this comment, so just in case you meant Katyn by mass murder (that did not take place in Poland, speaking of your invasion, while nazis wonderfully executed poles in Poland and you keep your mouth shut about it, because your owners only need you to be mentally challenged rusophobes, like you always were) i have to tell you, that unfortunately all the 'evidence' of evil crime committed by soviets is forged, has obviously fake signatures of whole Politburo, especially its obvious that Stalins signature is fake, as you can not find a single one looking like the one on Katyn papers in any of real documents signed by Stalin. And all actual evidence from the graves points out at nazis. Nazis have a motive - after building secret facilities, like Barenhohle near Smolensk these kind people always executed those who built these facilities. Also its interesting how nazis suddenly found a grave in some random forest. I guess they did not have such luck with holy grail only because they did not bury it themselves.
That's some proper communist propaganda going on right there. Comrade Stalin would be proud. Had a really good laugh. Keep up mate.

BTW former Russian president Medvedev admitted that Katyn was in fact Stalin's responsibility, but he's probably a capitalist agent too...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Poland mostly fighting a Partisan war and not really fighting with an army? They did have a large army, but it did have inferior technology and got steam rolled (in the 1939). Even if they did have a large force by the end of the war, they would still be thrown in the Soviet or US factions. I wouldn't mind a couple Polish generals to work with though.
lich0 eredeti hozzászólása:
That's some proper communist propaganda going on right there. Comrade Stalin would be proud. Had a really good laugh. Keep up mate.

BTW former Russian president Medvedev admitted that Katyn was in fact Stalin's responsibility, but he's probably a capitalist agent too...

Are you suggesting that Poland's own history education is propaganda free? To single out the Katyn massacre and politicize it against the modern day Russians simply spits on the graves of all those who died in WWII. Yes the Katyn massacre was horrible, but so were the Volhynia massacre by Ukrainian nationalists, Ponary massacre by Lithuanian collaborators, and the Warsaw Ghetto cleansing. Are these victims somehow less important than those victims in Katyn? Hell, even Poland itself took advantage of the Munich Agreement and took Zaolzie from Czechoslovakia for themselves, so don't act as if Poland itself has clean hands in WWII. There's a fine line between having pride in you country's past history versus buying into your government's nationalism and continue to hate the descendents of another country of whom you've never met.
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lich0 eredeti hozzászólása:
That's some proper communist propaganda going on right there. Comrade Stalin would be proud. Had a really good laugh. Keep up mate.

BTW former Russian president Medvedev admitted that Katyn was in fact Stalin's responsibility, but he's probably a capitalist agent too...

Are you suggesting that Poland's own history education is propaganda free? To single out the Katyn massacre and politicize it against the modern day Russians simply spits on the graves of all those who died in WWII. Yes the Katyn massacre was horrible, but so were the Volhynia massacre by Ukrainian nationalists, Ponary massacre by Lithuanian collaborators, and the Warsaw Ghetto cleansing. Are these victims somehow less important than those victims in Katyn? Hell, even Poland itself took advantage of the Munich Agreement and took Zaolzie from Czechoslovakia for themselves, so don't act as if Poland itself has clean hands in WWII. There's a fine line between having pride in you country's past history versus buying into your government's nationalism and continue to hate the descendents of another country of whom you've never met.


Please explain how is this relevant to my post?
Legutóbb szerkesztette: lich0; 2014. jún. 23., 7:13
^^ No where in Lich0's statement does he say that Poland's education is "propaganda free" so for you to infer that, but not have any reason to do so, is strange to me at the least (it is logically impossible to infer that statement you posted from his post). That and I don't think that he ever said Poland was an angel, he was just commenting that the USSR was far from ever being an ally to Poland and so he was bringing up evidence to support his claim; not once does he say that Katyn is the most important massacre of the war, that isn't the point of the statement (once again you infer that which is pointless to Lich0 and the other twos' debate); he only states that as evidence that the USSR (the USSR is a conglomeration of republics, so remember its more than one people and even then many have been "liberated" against their will) was not an ally of Poland. Also he never states that he hates Russians, so once again you aren't making any sense with your statements (please don't make inferences that don't have grounds.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Aristotle Full Throttle; 2014. jún. 23., 8:33
Grreat post.

Poland was the first country to stand up to Germans. That's how the WW2 began leading to bigger scale conflict which ultimately led to defeating Nazi Germany.
If Poland hadn't faught them, Hitler would take country after country without any effort.

Hitler planned to take over Poland in one week. Poland was successfully defending for 7 weeks only to officially withdraw after Russia attacked them from the other side. Still, they continued to fight eventually going underground and fighting as guerilla forces.

Poland had good, even excellent weapons and armor including Los, arguably the best bomber in the world during the time.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: trooper404; 2014. jún. 23., 8:32
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Hard even to say anything about this stupid rant. Youre so funny boy ! :P

That was not intended to be a joke dumbass, is it difficult to understand that nobody wants a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Poland army in this game, Because it will not make any sense. They sucked in WW2 they surrendered after a mounth! They were not the best and bravest army in WW2. as one above said that the army was created 1944 and the war ended 1945. This about Poland being the bravest is a myth. And who did even tell you that? Give up your pathetic dreams patriot, please.

It wasent take as a joke.. You are JOKE ! Poland surender?! Buahuahhau whata nice one here. Poland was fighting against two bigest armies in this war and still stood for month and not surender like France *(fighting with British) after one lost batle *(as well month). Youre totaly funny guy and not by nice meening. Go F yourself with your idiocracy and problems to Poland *( i presume they coming from normal life)

PS. Are you unemployed guy from Holand or something?

Let me ask this way:
Polish guy who has no contact in the country
has not to good language
has no money, taking your job
It's meen Youre total losser...
trooper404 eredeti hozzászólása:
Grreat post.

Poland was the first country to stand up to Germans. That's how the WW2 began leading to bigger scale conflict which ultimately led to defeating Nazi Germany.
If Poland hadn't faught them, Hitler would take country after country without any effort.

Hitler planned to take over Poland in one week. Poland was successfully defending for 7 weeks only to officially withdraw after Russia attacked them from the other side. Still, they continued to fight eventually going underground and fighting as guerilla forces.

Poland had good, even excellent weapons and armor including Los, arguably the best bomber in the world during the time.
Another Poland fanboy...Poland didn´t have ANY effect on the result of WW2 and they had old, outdated weapons and tactics. Los wasn´t the best bomber of that time, it was the only modern plane (poland got 36 of them) in their arsenal, its standards were after all quite reasonable . "Excellent weapons"...tell me ONE! And where did you read, that hitler planned to take Poland in 1 week?
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