When a person leaves he should be replaced with Expert AI.

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Hard AI isn't even close to the level of even the noobest player and it garantees that you'll loose if one person drops at the start of a game.
Expert AI is still worse than average player, but at the very least it will have some fighting chance with sheer units amout it gets.

[Aristotle Full Throttle]

You and everyone else that has every played a multiplayer match have known this and made this request. Unfortunately Relic has not responded (at least in a satisfactory way).

[@theweedfather]

Oh yeah, let's have a match full of noobs, and when one ragequits, an infinitely better omnipotent AI that resource cheats and maphacks takes his place!
Great idea!

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Originally posted by 47:

Oh yeah, let's have a match full of noobs, and when one ragequits, an infinitely better omnipotent AI that resource cheats and maphacks takes his place!
Great idea!

That's bad only when it's noobs vs noobs. When it's noobs vs average players one of the noobs becoming expert is preferable, since it will make game less one sided. We barely have noobs vs noobs games anymore this far into the game's life cycle so this change is purely beneficial by that point.

[Happy]

If you wondering why you would have trouble with that, the player that leaves gets replaced with standard ai

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Originally posted by dylangriffiths:

If you wondering why you would have trouble with that, the player that leaves gets replaced with standard ai

Currently it's hard AI. Standard AI barely fights. One that replaces leavers at least competent in the basics.

[Tasty x3]

Well no, the Expert AI could ensure victory due to heavy cheating, it can easily fight 2 opponents at once, that wouldn't be fair. The AI is stupid but on some maps they will spam the enemy to death, giving you opportunities to do something.

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Originally posted by Tasty Tofu x3:

Well no, the Expert AI could ensure victory due to heavy cheating, it can easily fight 2 opponents at once, that wouldn't be fair. The AI is stupid but on some maps they will spam the enemy to death, giving you opportunities to do something.

AI's cheating doesn't have as much impact as you think it does
It's true that for your every tank AI will have 2, but it will mindlessly throw them at your AT units one of the time, nullifying the advantage. The point is to make AI equal to the person who dropped, to make sure that one dropper isn't autoloss, and 2 times more stupid AI with 2 times more units sounds about right. Only problem I see with it is that AI ignores fog of war and attacks your snipers or artillery units in places where player would never found them, but that could be easily fixed by Relic before implementing the change.

[Mihos]

Yeah, cause atm, ai tends to spam kubels on axis even at 40 min when a player drops. And i dont think you gonna do much harm by driving a kubel every 1 min into enemy tanks...

[Aristotle Full Throttle]

Originally posted by Tasty Tofu x3:

Well no, the Expert AI could ensure victory due to heavy cheating, it can easily fight 2 opponents at once, that wouldn't be fair. The AI is stupid but on some maps they will spam the enemy to death, giving you opportunities to do something.

Originally posted by 47:

Oh yeah, let's have a match full of noobs, and when one ragequits, an infinitely better omnipotent AI that resource cheats and maphacks takes his place!
Great idea!

Complaints like these show a total lack of any skill when playing assuming they truly find Coh2 AI that tough. I personally test units after patches against expert A to get some feeling of how they perform. I always win when testing, expert AI is simply AI with more resources and aggression than its lower ranks in difficulty. Expert AI is easy to beat in 4vs4 (so me and 3 Expert AI vs 4 Expert AI) or even 2vs2 because maps are small enough and forces are large enough that no amount of extra manpower is gonna change that.

AI tactics alone are moronic, with it reversing tanks against the enemy and the like. All that would change between expert and hard would be that there would more troops deployed. The same loser unit deployments would still occur.

Now you might then say, well if there is so few differences then why even change? The point is that the greater number of resources enables it mimic a higher difficulty that is more comparable (although not at the same level) to human intellect.

Moths has a point though. Every large team match I am in sees a couple of new players and maybe one or two veterans pitted against another team of veterans. In many cases I have seen new players instantly drop at the beginning of the match. This leaves those remaining at a severe handicap. Rarely do I see (although maybe thats because of matchmaking working every now and then) a team of green players against other green players. The only time such happens is during the dreaded steam sales or free weekends.

[Buz]

Maybe they should remove the dropped player from the game and distribute the resource income and pop between the rest of the team. It will be more challenging to manage a larger army, but at least it allows the possibility of a fair fight for people who can manage it.

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Originally posted by _underscore:

Maybe they should remove the dropped player from the game and distribute the resource income and pop between the rest of the team. It will be more challenging to manage a larger army, but at least it allows the possibility of a fair fight for people who can manage it.

But what if a player drops while having 2 king tigers on the field :o It will probably be heartbreaking for other players to see 2 KTs dissapears and be replaced with sligthly more resources and pop cap.
Replacing hard AI with expert AI seems like the easiest to implement change imo.

[Buz]

Well yeah it's a disadvantage having fewer heavies and also having fewer commander abilities available.

But since the AI can't retain any units, the existing army would've all died in the next few minutes anyway (giving opponents vet).

[@theweedfather]

Originally posted by Will of Churchill Ranger_501st:

Originally posted by Tasty Tofu x3:

Well no, the Expert AI could ensure victory due to heavy cheating, it can easily fight 2 opponents at once, that wouldn't be fair. The AI is stupid but on some maps they will spam the enemy to death, giving you opportunities to do something.

Originally posted by 47:

Oh yeah, let's have a match full of noobs, and when one ragequits, an infinitely better omnipotent AI that resource cheats and maphacks takes his place!
Great idea!

Complaints like these show a total lack of any skill when playing assuming they truly find Coh2 AI that tough. I personally test units after patches against expert A to get some feeling of how they perform. I always win when testing, expert AI is simply AI with more resources and aggression than its lower ranks in difficulty. Expert AI is easy to beat in 4vs4 (so me and 3 Expert AI vs 4 Expert AI) or even 2vs2 because maps are small enough and forces are large enough that no amount of extra manpower is gonna change that.

AI tactics alone are moronic, with it reversing tanks against the enemy and the like. All that would change between expert and hard would be that there would more troops deployed. The same loser unit deployments would still occur.

Now you might then say, well if there is so few differences then why even change? The point is that the greater number of resources enables it mimic a higher difficulty that is more comparable (although not at the same level) to human intellect.

Moths has a point though. Every large team match I am in sees a couple of new players and maybe one or two veterans pitted against another team of veterans. In many cases I have seen new players instantly drop at the beginning of the match. This leaves those remaining at a severe handicap. Rarely do I see (although maybe thats because of matchmaking working every now and then) a team of green players against other green players. The only time such happens is during the dreaded steam sales or free weekends.

What does lack of skill have to do with resource and map cheats, you tool?

If anyone drops the game will instantly become lopsided with expert AI because it doesn't give up, it doesn't run out of resources, and it can see the whole map.
Comp stomp is just for people who can't play MP so I hardly see how "skill" is even involved.

[Aristotle Full Throttle]

Originally posted by 47:

What does lack of skill have to do with resource and map cheats, you tool?

If anyone drops the game will instantly become lopsided with expert AI because it doesn't give up, it doesn't run out of resources, and it can see the whole map.
Comp stomp is just for people who can't play MP so I hardly see how "skill" is even involved.

Yeah, I said it. You lack skill if you think expert AI is too tough to play against. Remember that this change does not apply to 1vs1 as when a player drops the match is over. Only in team matches would this apply and as it has been made plentiful clear, Expert AI lacks any kind of tactical skill. It simply throws waves of soldiers at you and makes some of the dumbest units, like KWs or Scout Cars and the like.

Its not unbeatable and in 2vs2 and up it can be compensated due to how small maps and are the manpower production already. Simply making HMGs can counter the effin Expert AI.

Thus I think....no I know, that if you think Expert AI is too tough to play against then you must lack some degree of skill. Expert AI replacing dropped players would do far more than hard AI and would thus better replicate the potential skill a human has.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Dat OP...

Lol of course there are people worse than hard AI. Just don´t expect them to be in the top 1000, hurr durr. AI never gets tired and caps. In a long game that goes beyond 30 minutes I´d rather have AI than like, 80% of any other person in the player base.